Re: Spilling out drops of wine at the Seder
- From: "maxine in ri" <weedfam@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:30:24 +0000 (UTC)
backon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Every year we have the question why we spill out drops of wine at the
Seder. Every year someone mentions the reason given by the
non-O clergy as "we feel sorrow for the death of the Egyptians"
and every year I, Lisa Liel and Zev Sero mention that this has zero
factual basis in traditional Jewish sources. I then bring the
real reason as brought by the Darchei Moishe on TUR Orach Chayim
473 that this was a rememberance of "the Finger of God" and mention
that the alleged Abarbanel which quotes the "sorrow" hypothesis doesn't
exist.
All the following sources give the reason why we lift the finger
(or spill out drops of wine) as "etzba eloKim": Magen Avraham OC 473
s"k 28; Aruch haShulchan OC 473 # 24; Mishna Brura 473 #74 and 75;
the Beer Heitev 473 #66. But here's the clincher WHY: the Maharil
(Seder Hahaggada #27) quoting the Rokeach and the Raavya says:
"v'nir'eh li ha'taam d'ratza lomar mikol eilu yatzileinu v'YAVO'U
AL SONEINU [caps mine]..... [and it seems to me that the reason
is that God will save us from all danger and will venge retribution
against our enemies and punish them]
So not only is the "sorrow" hypothesis utter naarishkeit without any
basis whatsoever in traditional sources, the reason given by the Maharil
(Rokeach and Raavya) is 180 degrees different: it's to show how God
will DESTROY our enemies. No touchy-feely "nebich the poor Egyptians"
naarishkeit, a bizarre hypothesis that came out from the halls of the
Reform and Conservative clergy in the late 1940's.
Josh
And here I thought it was something put in by the wine makers to get us
to use more of their product! ;-)
Good Shabbos,
maxine in ri
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