Re: In Memory of Shalhevet Pas [was: The lovely folks of Hebron]

Jackie wrote: 
"Joel Shurkin" <shurkin@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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James Kahn wrote:


In <dnv3qo$bo5$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Joel Shurkin <shurkin@xxxxxxx> 

writes:


Lest we get accustomed to the notion that two wrongs make a right... We
all lament for the child. We, or at some most of us, wonder what the
hell she was doing there.



Joel, is that your response when a woman is raped while out alone at
night in a bad neighborhood?  Or if a black person was attacked in
an all-white neighborhood known to be hostile to blacks?  This child's
family may or may not have been reckless, but it seems that we don't
usually put so much emphasis on that unless it's a Jew choosing to
live in a hostile neighborhood. Then it seems like anything goes.



When a women is out alone in a bad neighborhood, she should not be. The
man who rapes her is still a rapist but only a foolish woman would be
out alone in a bad neighborhood at night. Every woman I know knows that
and wouldn't do it. If a black person moves into a neighborhood of
hostile whites he goes knowing he may be attacked and either he decides
it is worth the risk or it is not. In neither case were children involved.

If an adult wants to put him or herself in harm's way, they have the
right and presumably the mental capacity to make that decision. Putting
a child in harm's way is unconscionable. I felt the same way about the
people who moved with the families to Gaza. When the mother and shock
and my second response was fury at the mother for risking her children's
lives. No responsible parent would do that, for politics or religion. It
does not in any way exonerate the evil doers, but you can't really be
surprised when evil is done nor can you escape responsibility yourself
for letting it happen.



--
Joel N. Shurkin
Baltimore, Maryland



I do not understznd your reasoning,  A Jewish community has always existed
in one form or another in Hebron, It is the burial place of our ancestors,
except for Rachel.  Granted there was a slaughter of the innocents there by
Arabs earlier in the 20th century.  But you seem to be saying we should
abandon the sites of our forefathers' graves to savages who take pleasure in
shooting children.
Jackie


.
I am saying two things: one, parents who care deeply about their children do not put their children in harm's way to prove a political or even a religious point. Two, every once in a while we need to pay attention to reality, as hard as it is for some. It is entirely possible that some day it may be safe for Jews to live in Hebron. I hope so. The reality at the moment is that is not now. That's the reality. If you have such a long view that we lived there all those years than you should have no trouble believing that someday we may go back. Except for the religious point, there is no logical in getting killed over the issue, or getting our children killed, over it.

Reality, as Abe said, bites. Live with it.

J


J


--
Joel N. Shurkin
Baltimore, Maryland
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