Re: Proposed Process for Charter Amendment

"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@xxxxxxx> writes:
> <moshes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@xxxxxxx> writes:
>> > "ToooooMuchCoffeeMan" <tooooomuchcoffee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> "Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> "Eliyahu" <lrooff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>
>> >>>> No, it's not. To be blunt, the power to change the charter or the
>> >>>> way the newsgroup is run lies solely in the hands of the moderators.
>>
>> snip
>>
>> >>> And when the interests of the community and the moderators diverge,
>> >>> they act in the interest of the moderators. A benevolent
>> >>> dictatorship is still a dictatorship.
>>
>> What exactly are you calling the "interests" of the moderators? They
>> have the thankless task of trying to run the NewsGroup according to
>> the Charter. Isn't that _exactly_ the interests of the community?
>> What you may have meant to say is that if their percieved _method_
>> of serving the community doesn't match yours, they use their method.
>> OK. That's why they're the moderators. Why not try to _be_ a
>> moderator for a while and see if it's so simple?
>
> I would let through anything that wasn't spam, proselytizing, or
> antisemitic tripe. I would not be analyzing posts to see if they
> are "on topic." I would not send them back and suggest different
> wording.

You say that now. But if you had to uphold the Charter and not what
_you_ think the Charter _should_ say, you might say different.

> I would not -- as someone who use to complain about the heavy handed
> moderation used to say -- try to run the "vicar's tea party."

That's me all right. But I lay the blame at too much adherence to the
Charter, not to any personal reasons.

>> >> But unlike a dictatorship the community is free to leave, to vote
>> >> with their feet as a well-known chowderhead once put it, if they
>> >> feel the moderators are no longer serving their interests.
>> >
>> > Any many have, to the detriment of this newsgroup.
>>
>> I agree that it's a shame many left. They may even blame the
>> moderators for it. That's why I'm so glad we're having this thread
>> to open up communication with he mods.
>
> As if they didn't already know what the problem was?

So if they recognize it, you still denigrate them? I don't understand.

>> >> I assume a certain amount of good faith on the part of the
>> >> moderators, that they actually want to serve the interests of
>> >> the community. Sometimes it takes more than simply counting
>> >> snouts to figure out the best way to do so.
>>
>> Precisely. And Dan, I don't see that assumtion in your posts.
>
> When it comes to the moderation here, I do NOT assume good faith.
> I see people going beyond the intent of simply keeping the trash
> out and trying to mold and direct discussion when it doesn't fit
> into neat boxes.

An interesting opinion. I don't agree with it.

>> >> In any case, to get back to the root question of this sub-thread,
>> >> whatever process is ultimately decided on for amending the charter will
>> >> be decided solely by the moderators. So if as Eliyahu says, not every
>> >> moderator has a chance to read every message in the newsgroup, and if
>> >> you want your comments to be taken into account by the moderators as
>> >> they make their decisions, it just seems sensible to at least copy them
>> >> by email rather than complaining that it indicates exactly what they
>> >> said.
>>
>> I hope by now all the mods are following this thread. That's one of
>> the reasons it's a seperate special thread.
>>
>> > Just pick up the ring and let everyone else assume you were bowing.
>>
>> What _are_ you talking about? Do you think the mods are looking for
>> their own personal aggrandizement? What in the world for?
>
> People get off on different things. Holding up posts until they're
> no longer relevent, or decreeing that one side of a debate can have
> the "last word" are ways of a person proving to themselves how
> "important" they are.

Dan do you always look for the worst in people?

Moshe Schorr
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The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue.
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