Re: hebrew - significant archaeological find

jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: 
Joel Shurkin wrote:

jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Herman Rubin wrote:


In article <1131822614.865342.159570@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx <jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=92812 

headline : "Archaeologists announced this week the discovery of a
3,000-year-old Hebrew inscription. It is merely the latest of a series
of dramatic archaeological finds in Israel in recent months."

(10th Century BCE) 

a)archaeologists are now proven wrong in jumping to the conclusion
that those other languages are hebrew's ancestor.  This poor man is
going to have to rewrite his website wth his 'alphabet family tree' ;)
http://phoenicia.org/alphabet.html


b) perhaps all archaeologists  will now jump to the conclusion,
raasoning that because hebrew is the earliest they found, it proves
that all other languages descend from hebrew!  So far the only person
to say this (Quoted in the A7 article)  is  Dr. Ron Tappy, a professor
at the Pittsburgh Theological Seminary. Doesn't look like an
archeologist.  Time will tell reagrding archaeologists. Though I don't
think it matters what archaeologists say!


It is the content of the discovery, not that there
are inscriptions that old.  One century later, there
is plenty of evidence.  The earliest known Semitic
writing is almost a millennium older; if one follows
the chronology in the Torah, almost certainly wrong,
this would still put it before Joseph.

The oldest known writing is about 3500 BCE, but today
few believe that there was an earliest language, at
least not one which could be reconstructed.  Nor can
the history of the alphabet, or even of non-alphabetic
writing, shed any light on that of language.




Apart from your first sentence, you wrote a load of irrelevant tosh and
propaganda.
you just used that post as an excuse to hook on a whole load of
garbage.

We figured out pretty early on that the date of the inscriptions wasn't
relevant.   The simple answer why, is that Hebrew itself was discovered
aroudn that time once before. So it's nothing new. We figured out
pretty early on (like my second correcting post) that the theology Dr
(non archaeologist) was wrong in concluding that this proves the other
languages to have descended from hebrew.


Ron E. Tappy most certainly is an archaeologist and considered a leading
authority in the field. Also, what he found is called an abecedary,
which had not been found before, meaning they had an organized alphabet
and probably a working bureaucracy. The notion that other languages
derived from Hebrew is not new and is widely, though not universally,
accepted.



I BELIEVE that hebrew is the first language, But it's wrong to conclude
that given this. He's concluding it for the wrong reasons.

Read this paragraph and tell me if you believe any of Ron Tappy's
conclusions
or I guess these aren't conclusions, they're just based on religious
beliefs he had before.

I suppose one might agree that "it is rare" bu what of the rest of what
he says.

The discovery was made by Dr. Ron Tappy, a professor at the Pittsburgh
Theological Seminary, on the last day of a five-week dig at Tel Zayit.
"This is very rare," he said, "This makes it very historically probable
there were people [3,000 years ago] who could write." In an interview
with the New York Times, Dr. Tappy said, "All successive alphabets in
the ancient world, including the Greek one, derive from this ancestor
at Tel Zayit."

I never heard that before but what do I know.

J


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