Re: Iranian President calls for Israel's destruction



"Andy Katz" <amkatz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> "cindys" <cstein1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >"Andy Katz" <amkatz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> >> >
> >> >Actually, so called right wingers (i.e. anyone in your eyes who
doesn't
> >> >support the suicide of Israel and has done their historical research),
> >> >knows
> >> >that anti-semitism is inextricably wound up in Islamic doctrine and
law
> >> >from
> >> >the Koran to the latest fatwa from Al-Azhar. And as such, Muslims
cannot
> >> >ever fall in love with Israel.
> >>
> >> Then you've got a problem.
> >--------
> >I'm not sure what the above statement means, i.e. if you are saying that
you
> >think *Fiona* has a problem for believing this or that the Jewish world,
and
> >Israel in particular, have a problem because Fiona's statement is true. I
> >can assure you her statement is true. And I just read that Iran is now
> >assisting Syria to develop chemical weapons, Sarin and other blistering
> >agents, and is financing the project with millions of dollars gleaned
from
> >the good old US of A. Now, what do you suppose Syria intends to do with
all
> >those chemical weapons?
>
> Fiona and those who argue that Islam is intractably anti-semetic

Just facing reality Andy, something you are absolutely determined NOT to do.

> and that the Islamic world can never attain a genuine peace with Israel
> have a problem.

No, Andy, YOU have a problem, how exactly do you indend to get Muslims to
expunge the anti-Jewish verses from the Koran?

And if you don't believe there are any, here's just a few of the many for
your contemplation:

Qur'an 59:6 "What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger, He has taken away
from the Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will.
Whatever booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish)
people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle." [This by the
way is the verse upon which Palestinian/Arab claim to Eretz Israel is based.
With such an explicit verse in the Koran how can Muslims ever make peace
with Israel?]

Qur'an 59:14 "The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment
awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell."

Qur'an 4:55 "Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!"

Qur'an 17:7 "We shall rouse Our (Muslim) slaves to shame and ravage you
(Jews), disfiguring your faces. They will enter the Temple as before and
destroy, laying to waste all that they conquer."

Qur'an 5:41 "Or it be among the Jews, men who will listen to any lie. They
change the context of the words from their (right) times and places.... For
them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy
punishment."

Qur'an 5:42 "They are fond of listening to falsehood, of devouring anything
forbidden; they are greedy for illicit gain!"

Qur'an 5:82 "You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians
in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims." [Your actions of
appeasement cannot override the Koran, therefore there is nothing you can
ever do that convince a Muslim you are acting in good faith.]

Qur'an 2:61 "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon the Jews and
they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved
Allah's Proofs, Signs and Verses and killed the prophets. They disobeyed and
rebelled."

Then of course there are the Hadiths, which are even more explicit, and just
as important in Sharia:

Ishaq:240 "The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous,
lying, and evil people."

Ishaq:524 "We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great
they swear falsely."

Ishaq:262 "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a
Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has
already shown itself and what they conceal is worse."

Ishaq:241 "Mukhayriq was a learned rabbi owning much property in date palms.
He recognized the Apostle by his description and felt a predilection for his
religion. He violated the Sabbath to fight on behalf of Islam and was killed
in battle. I am told the Prophet used to say, 'Mukhayriq is the best of the
Jews [a dead one].' The Apostle took his property."

Ishaq:364 "Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever
protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a
similar fate."

Bukhari:V4B52N176 "Allah's Apostle said, 'You Muslims will fight the Jews
till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, "O
Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him."

Tabari VIII:29 "The Prophet said, 'No one should pray the afternoon prayer
until they are in the territory of the Qurayza because warfare against the
Jews is incumbent upon Muslims.'"

Tabari VIII:38 "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men
and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet
divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Qurayza Jews among the
Muslims." [Remember that in Islam Muhammed is ensan e-kamil, the perfect
man, who's example is to imitated.]


That's enough for now, but I'm intrigued Andy, how exactly do you propose to
neutralise this anti-semitism at the core of Islam?


> Israel can't dominate a billion plus Muslims.

Did anyone ever claim it wanted to? You sound like you actually believe Jews
really do want to rule the world, have you been reading the "Protocols"
again.

> And, as
> you point out, the Arab/Islamic world is increasing the sophistication
> of its weapons, no more semi-obsolete warsaw pact cast-offs for them.

So what? Should we therefore just roll over and die? Tell you what, you kill
yourself first, then come and tell us which you prefer, being dead or alive.


Fiona



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