Re: ELIAHU ROOFF HAS LEFT THIS GROUP
- From: "Larisa" <purple_bovine@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:32:52 +0000 (UTC)
Ouch. I'm not at all a "regular" on this newsgroup (my appearances
tend to be rather intermittent, due to various life pressures), but
this is really saddening.
LM
J J Levin wrote:
> On Thursday, Eliahu Rooff announced that he was leaving this newsgroup. He
> is one of the most soft-spoken people I have ever encountered here, a born
> mediator, always seeing the positive rather than the negative, always ready
> to give the benefit of the doubt, always trying to cast oil on troubled
> waters and to bring peace. A true mentch.
>
> I am amazed that no one here has reacted. Nothing. Nada,. Zip, Zilch. No
> comment. I asked Eliahu to reconsider. He told me that mine was the only
> reaction he had received to his leaving.
>
> You want to know what drove him away? I have posted the entire recent
> exchange below. It's only about a page long, but is speaks volumes.
>
> For shame.
>
> Jay
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> "Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:fsoYe.1333$eH2.971@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > "Chano" <chano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:dgrv3v$34a$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> "Eliyahu Rooff" <lrooff@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:w0eYe.841$L45.584@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'm not sure I understand your question. In any case, I don't have much
> >>> of an opinion about them since I don't live in or near them, but my
> >>> point is that there are some haredi communities in the US, and that
> >>> non-haredi Jews would be made to feel most unwelcome if they tried to
> >>> live there.
> >>
> >> ...and there speaks Eliyahu the bigot! How the hell do you know they
> >> would be made to feel unwelcome?
> >> --
> > Okay, enough is enough. This is the third or fourth time I've been called
> > a bigot or anti-Semite in the past couple weeks, and I'm fed up to here
> > with it. <gesturing at middle of beard> I've put up with a lot of this
> > drek over the years because, unlike most of the rest of you, I don't have
> > a Jewish community of my own where I live. For the foreseeable future,
> > I'll just have to do without unless and until I can find an online Jewish
> > forum where respect for differing opinions is a part of normal activity.
> >
> > To answer your insult... There's been extensive coverage in news magazines
> > and other publications over the past few years of communities like Kiryat
> > Joel, including interviews with folks who've been driven out simply
> > because they weren't totally committed to the Satmar ideals. Not because
> > they were secular, Reform, Conservative, or even MO, but because they
> > weren't UO enough, because they didn't vote as their Rebbe ordered them to
> > in national elections, or because they <gasp> owned a television. If you
> > seriously think that a secular or Reform Jew would be allowed to become a
> > part of that community, I'd suggest that you ask your doctor to adjust
> > your Torazine dosage.
> >
> > You need a greater degree of contact with real life and not just the
> > insular sheltered life within an O community before you can have any idea
> > of how the rest of us are viewed and treated by the O and UO. Over the
> > past fifty-seven years, I've lived all over the world and throughout the
> > US. I've served in two wars, fought fires, run a retail store, worked in
> > tech support, carpentry, construction and a host of odd jobs as well as
> > being a paralegal. I've learned to live with neighbors who ran the gamut
> > from a Baptist minister and a Mormon Missionary to neo-nazis and Klansmen.
> > In all that, I've never encountered the prolonged hostility that I find
> > here from a few select posters in SCJM.
> >
> > I'll miss my friends in SCJM, and they're always welcome to contact me
> > privately, but I'm outa here. It only took one Orthodox member to drive me
> > out of moderating the group, and two more O members to make my continued
> > presence here unenjoyable enough to make me call it quits, just as
> > they've done to others who had the temerity to disagree with them. If I
> > wanted stress, confrontation and constant criticism, I would have set up
> > housekeeping next door to my parents. I didn't, so I moved to the opposite
> > side of the country. I don't need it here, either, so I'll move my
> > primary online presence to the pets forum, where I'm on the staff, in
> > which personal attacks are off-limits. I'm not delusional enough to think
> > that my presence here is needed or that anything I say is going to make
> > much difference anyhow, but unlike the majority of people who visit and
> > can't abide the hostility that pervades the newsgroup, I wanted to let
> > people know why I'm leaving.
> >
> > One of the ironies is that when I first started posting in the old SCJ,
> > and then here, I was striving to become O in my observance with a goal of
> > eventually finding an O community in which to live. Thanks to SCJM, I've
> > learned that there's no way I could ever fit into Orthodoxy and that
> > Orthodoxy certainly wouldn't want me. So, score one more win for
> > Orthodoxy.
> >
> > Eliyahu Rooff
> >
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