Re: Tetragrammaton redux was: A Question about The Tzimtzum...


jameshanley39@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Lisa wrote:
> > Rafael wrote:
> > >
> > > You read the Hebrew string every time you pick up a chumash or siddur. I'm
> > > writing a string of English letters which represents that, so it's already
> > > once removed.
> > >
> > > Unless one mentally speculates as to the consonants, the string is basically
> > > unpronounceable.
> > >
> > > So my suggestion to you is that you refrain from such speculation (or at
> > > least refrain from sounding it) and let me be the judge of my own practice.
> > >
> > > If that's still too difficult for you, then you can always refrain from
> > > reading my posts.
> >
> > Speaking as an acknowledged religious fanatic (Anyone who disagrees,
> > raise your hand......... no one? Okay.), I don't have a real problem
> > with it. I consider writing it in English with vowels to be
> > deliberately offensive in some cases, and ignorant in others. But
> > bottom line, the Latin letter Y is not the same as the Hebrew letter
> > Yud. Same with the other letters involved. And the letter V isn't
> > even a correct translation of the letter Waw (vav).
> >
> > Given my druther's, I'd probably rather avoid even the form that Rafael
> > is using, and I don't plan on using it myself, but I think there are
> > plenty of things he does that are so more worthy of condemnation that
> > getting uptight about this is just silly. Fact, if he really wanted to
> > be offensive, he could have added in vowels. Give him credit where
> > it's due, 'kay?
> >
> > Lisa
>
> I don't judge people according to relative standards of decency.
>
> Regarding an average arab doing something bad(eg hateful against
> israel), I wouldn't say "what would you expect, he's an arab".
> Similarly with Rafael

Let me repeat, without the left-hand stuff this time, that I don't
think Rafael did anything wrong. I don't think you have any cause to
judge him negatively for writing the Tetragrammaton the way he did.

Where relative standards of decency come in is when I say that he
deserves credit for not having used the vocalized version that so many
non-Jews and non-religious Jews use.

And we *do* use relative standards for many thing. Consider King
Solomon "worshipping idols" and Rabbi Elazar Ben Azariah "keeping an ox
that worked on Shabbat". Not to mention Moshe Rabbenu. They are
judged more strictly given their level. I wouldn't complement a frum
Jew on not using a vocalized version of the Tetragrammaton, because I'd
expect that.

But again, lest it go unnoticed, I'm saying that you have not shown any
reason why Rafael -- or anyone else -- should be criticized for writing
YHVH. I just did it myself to make this point. That is *not* Hashem's
name. The third letter in the Tetragrammaton is *not* pronounced "V".

I feel like the guy in Life of Brian going "Jehova! Jehova!" Take a
tranquilizer or something, James. Please.

Lisa

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