Re: Warning: Major Provocation by Antidemocratic Agitators May Be Imminent


"Giora Drachsler" <giora@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Jackie" <jcappiello@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >
> >> > I agree with you point that I am not in Israel. However, this is not
> >> > from
> >> > choice. I have a daaughter who has two small children from her
second
> >> > marriage and two grown from her first. I had to support an ailing
> >> > mother
> >> > and am still -- in my 70s -- supporting an aging and mentally ill
> >> > sister.
> >> > Because of circumstances, mainly supporting my sister, I could not go
> >> > to
> >> > Israel when I finished university and since then --- well, you do not
> >> > know
> >> > my life, any more than I know yours.
> >>
> >> > However, I have lived a bit longer than you and I have some
> >> > acquaintence
> >> > with Arabs and Muslims elsewhere in the world. When they attack
> >> > synagogues
> >> > in Canada and the US, I do not think it is because of events in the
> >> > Middle
> >> > East; I read the Koran and see that there is intense hatred of Jews
> >> > expressed throughout its words. I also know that much of Islamic
> >> > education
> >> > is memorizing the Koran verbatim, but not to interpret as we Jews
> >> > interpret
> >> > Torah.
> >> > Here they only deface synagogues, or burn Jewish books and scrolls or
> >> > turn
> >> > over stones in Jewish cemeteries, or disrupt speeches by Jews. In
> >> > Israel
> >> > they kill, shamelessly.
> >> >
> >> > And you again have a leader of the Arabs who, in place of calling for
> >> > peace,
> >> > honours the martyrs who killed Jews for bringing about the
> >> > disengagement and
> >> > refuses to disarm the prospective martyrs to avoid a civil war among
> >> > his people.
> >> >
> >> > I respect your point of view, Giora, and hope you are right in your
> >> > optimism, but I cannot share it. And I do not think you cowardly,
quite
> >> > the
> >> > reverse. I see too many Israelis fleeing the prospective
battleground
> >> > and
> >> > coming to the Western Hemisphere.
> >> >
> >> > Jackie
> >>
> >> I heard that excuse from many. What do you think, we don't have our
> >> tzures?
> >> I didn't supported my mother? My brother stepped on a land mine 30
years
> >> ago, do you think that's easy?
>
> > No it is not easy. My sister is now in a mental hospital abd gas beeb
fir
> > iver 30 years: after too many electroshock treatments she cannot even
> > communicate. I visit there monthly (She is in Illinois and I am in
> > Florida)
> >>
> >> The same you did there, could have done here, what do you think, we
don't
> >> have welfare here? No, not for that you live in galut, but for the
> >> relatively
> >> better life and safer living.
>
> > No, you do not know my reasons for being here. I raised my two
daughters
> > on
> > my own, my former husband being of the view that paregnancy was a
disease
> > to
> > which women were addicted. I received no child support or any welfare
and
> > at times I ate the food the gfirls left on their plates. Not easy
living,
> > I
> > assure you.
> >>
> >> I have nothing against it, everyone is free to live wherever he like of
> >> feels
> >> it's the place to live in, after all, even the Romans said "Ubi bene,
ibi
> >> patria".
> > When I applied to live on a kibbutz last time I visited Israel, I was
told
> > I
> > was too old They did not want people over 70.
> >
> >> But, when it comes to criticism of people living on their sword, far
> >> away,
> >> the least you can do is preceding your sentences with "I think so",
> >> because,
> >> as Hazal said: "The only person entitled to criticize is he who is
ready
> >> to
> >> help." and you only criticize.
>
> > I hope I do not criticise. If so I apologize. I just feel that the
Arabs
> > cannot be trusted. Their words and deeds speak for themselves.
> > Maybe you feel their words are meaningless, but I recall the views of
> > people
> > prior to the Second World War. There was a man called Neville
> > Chamberlain,
> > who came back to Britain waving a pice of paper and proclaiming he had
> > achieved peace with Adolf Hitler. And he was applauded for having done
> > so.
> > Then came the attacks and soon the world was engulfed in blood and flame
> > and
> > destruction.
> >>
> >> Let me quote a line I heard some time ago:
> >>
> >> Paranoids are people too; they have their own problems. It's easy to
> >> criticize, but if everybody hated you, you'd be paranoid too.
> >>
> > Let me tell you a little secret I learned as a child. The world can
> > pretend
> > and pretend and its leaders can posture and mouth fine words, but in the
> > end
> > they have little fondness for Jews. If that makes me paranoid, so be
it.
> > I learned, as I said, at an early age when I was chased home from school
> > regularly by kids hurling stones and shouting "Christ-killer"
> > Quite frankly, I feel safer in Israel when I visit there, because there
is
> > a
> > certain security in numbers.
> > Jackie
>
> You cleared a few points, still, I am not sure you understood me. You
> lived more than me and you know better the world, still, you are ill
> informed on what's going in here in present times. Your intentions are
> good, but all you know comes from the news and they are seldom
> balanced or pointing out the important issues. Also, your view of life
> is very emotional, which makes debates more difficult.
> --
> Giora Drachsler
> Jerusalem, Israel
I am sorry you think my views are emotional. I merely take people as
meaning what they say and what their actions indicate. Therefore, when
Abbas praises (according to today's Jerusalem Post) young people who have
carried out suicide bombings and urges they be emulated, I cannot take him
seriously as a partner for peace. He is merely Arafat dressed in a business
suit rather than a Castro-like univorm with an Arab headress. The fact that
he does not carry weapons, as Arafat did even into thehalls of the UN, does
not make him a man of peace.
I hope that your optimistic view of the world is justified, but my life's
experiences teaches me that you may be terrybly disappointed. Anyway, I am
taking off for Canada to try to get something settled about an insurance
claim -- can you believe that the company shippped my car 1,000 miles to see
if it could be repaired rather than accept the views of an appraiser here
that it was a writeoff -- and to attend High Holy Day services in my old
synagogue, founded after the death of my younger daughter when I was sitting
shiva.
Jackie


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