Re: Verno is a bigot

In article <1125994459.874453.235280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
superoutland@xxxxxxx says...
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> > And that is a feeble comeback for someone who believes his own opinion
> > and nothing else.
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> Truth isnt very feeble, and that is exactly what i had spoken. One
> shouldnt believe eveyrhting they read in the paper.

Who does?

I posted a link to an article. You responded saying one shouldn't
believe everything they read in the paper.

That is a lame comeback to the article I posted. You can't discredit
it, so you dismiss it out of hand because "you can't believe everything
you read in the paper". Moronic and bigoted.

> You have also
> apparantly never heard the quote of "lies, damned lies, and
> statistics". I dont agree with that quote entirely, but for you to
> believe any word you chose to believe makes you nothing more than a
> sophist.

You have quoted Disraeli out of context. And if you say the statistics
are wrong, say HOW they're wrong. "That's not argument! It's
contradiction!" (Monty Python)
> >
> > But I expected nothing more from a misogynist like you.
>
>
> Apparantly you think name calling is a higher form of truth than common
> sense

No, I wrote the truth. If you disagree, say why. Do you, or do you not
hate women?
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> > >
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> > I see you quickly saw the most important point in the article.
> > BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAAAHAAHAAHAAA!
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> I wanst about to address the entire article
> >
> > But I think you missed a few points:
> >
> > "the white paper reveals that women department managers comprised a
> > dismal 3% and salaries for Japanese women were on average less than half
> > of that of their male co-workers."
> >
> > AND
> >
> > "The government document said that only 3% of women, compared to 24.4%
> > of men, earned this recommended salary [the salary considered in Japan
> > to guarantee an independent lifestyle].
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>
> First of all, lower salary among weomen is a fact of life even in
> Canada, and secondly, this discludes social norms. Now if you are
> willing call japan's social norms sexist, fine, but provide examples,
> and not this crap.

Oh, so facts aren't good enough for you. Like stupidtech, you prefer
stories. Shall I make them up, as you do?
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>
> There has never really been a female dominated civilization. Either
> women are inferior or it has been a proscribed, AND ACCEPTED social
> norm not for them to have the same social roles as men, men usually
> taking up production, or in this case directly earning money. If you
> believe that women are inferior instead, fine, but dont accuse me of
> being a misogynist then.

But you ARE a misogynist, and it is central to the points at issue.
Look up "TXZZ women stupid" in Google Groups and read what comes up.
Better yet, I'll do it for you.

http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=TXZZ+women+stupid&hl=en

Now, tell us you're not a misogynist, and tell us it has nothing
whatever to do with the illogical argument you've advanced.
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> >
> > AND
> >
> > "The white paper, *approved by the Cabinet* in late June to mark a week
> > devoted to promoting gender equality in the country, noted that Japan
> > ranks 41st out of 70 countries surveyed last year using a method
> > developed by the United Nations, called the Gender Empowerment Measure."
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> You know damned well that japan wouldnt score that low if they were
> forced to wear veils.

Non sequitur.

> This statistic is not objective and can thus be
> accorded no weight.

Precisely how is it "not objective"? Be specific.

> > See anything else that contradicted your opinion? Anything at all?
> >
> > >
> > > Its all moot though; you havent lived in japan and you're an idiot if
> > > you believe newspapers, or even people complaining of it.
> > > Sorta like how you, never having been to the US, inisted that Bush was
> > > not likely to get re-elected
> >
> > Are you *developmentally challenged* or something? Can you READ?
> >
> > Here's what I said:
> >
> > "If you don't like the Bush administration that
> > makes two of us, but I'LL BE SURPRISED IF HE *ISN'T* RE-ELECTED"
> > (emphasis added for the comprehension-challenged)
>
>
> You're exact quote:
>
> "You may have failed to notice that Clinton was re-elected by
> Americans. Are Americans in the habit of re-electing INcapable
> presidents? I guess we'll find out in 3 weeks."
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> If you do not say that this is an implication that Bush wouldnt get
> re-elected, it, at the very least, stands in direct contrast to what
> you claim you said. In either case, you are a liar.

I provided proof of my DIRECT STATEMENT about Bush's chances of re-
election. You *incorrectly* infer my meaning from another post, and
accuse me of lying? Not only are you a bigot, but you're stupid as
well!
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> >
> > Put your finger under the words and read them one at a time, very
> > slowly.
> >
> > Now, what does it say? (for 10 points)
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>
> Obviously you are the illiterate if you cant read your own posts

Oh, so now you won't admit you are wrong, even when confronted with the
facts. Bigot!
> > >
> > > What, did a japanese woman tell you japan was sexist, and you believed
> > > it?
> >
> > Many have.
>
> I did not doubt this at all, that was in fact the point.
>
> I consulted to Tokyu Corporation and talked extensively with
> > women and men who worked for the company. I do volunteer work with a
> > Japanese association that helps Japanese immigrants adjust to life in
> > Canada. I've talked to many Japanese men and women.
>
> Ever occur to you that malcontents are most likely to move out?

All of the Japanese I spoke to at Tokyu were in Canada on assignment
from home office, not immigrants. I spoke to people all over the
organization, not just "malcontents". And perhaps a higher than average
proportion of the immigrants from Japan *are* malcontents. So what?

> I had
> a japanese teacher tell me it was acceptable to hit children for
> discipline. Maybe its common; but believe it or not this is not
> considered high class behavior in ANY modern society. I dont believe
> all the crap they tell me; why are you?

Who believes "all the crap"? I believe the PATTERN I saw, combined with
the statistics. It's bloody obvious, but you won't accept it because .
.. . . . . you're a misogynistic bigot.

But enough of your pap. You don't agree with the stats I've posted.
Fine -- discredit them with more than your "don't believe what you read
in the papers". Tell us WHY you disagree with the contention that
Japanese society is generally sexist. Be specific. No more hand waving.


> Because you are a bigot; thats
> why.

Let me get this straight. YOU reject the facts although you have
nothing substantive to discredit them, and I'M THE BIGOT???
BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> If a colored person says something bad about his society, why, it must
> be a hundred percent true. How can you do this?

I didn't do it. Once again, you resort to lying.

> even a canadian would
> tell tons of lies or exaggerations about his own experiences; parents
> do it all the time. But since colored societies are evil well all bad
> things said about it must be true. NO. YOu are a bigot and a
> hypocrite and that is all you ever were.

Oh, really? Where did I say "colored societies are evil" or anything
remotely like that? You're lying . . . . AGAIN! Learn to tell the
truth when you argue with me. It makes you look stupid when you get
caught telling lie after lie.
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> >
> > Anyway, I wouldn't trust anything you say after the *** you've posted
> > about women.
>
> Ad-hominem

So, you deny you are a misogynist . . . again?

Please explain your posting history about women. There's a LOT to
explain. Do you hate women? Or do you just think they're inferior?

http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=TXZZ+women+stupid&hl=en

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>
> >
> > Is this the best defence you can come up with? You haven't offered
> > anything at all. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch.
>
>
> I have told you, QUIT STEREOTPYING SOCIETIES YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY
> NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT. YOUVE DONE IT TO AMERICA AND I HAVE NO DOUBT
> YOU ARE DOING THE SAME TO JAPAN. I have brought up several valid
> points and you ignroe them because you are a fool.

"A stereotype is a popularly held belief about a type of person or a
group of people which does not take into account individual
differences."

And another:

"A process of generalization by which an entire group is found to be at
fault because of the actions of a few of their members."

Where is the stereotype? THERE ISN'T ONE, MORON!
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> >
> > "A bigot will continue to hold his opinions even when confronted with
> > evidence that challenges such stereotypes." (Wikipedia)
> >
>
> Which is exactly what you do. Oh, and you're the one here stereotyping
> verno; not me.
>
Your weak vocabulary, lack of logic, and outright lies don't prove your
invalid point.

Verno
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