Re: Y even US policy has cooked Israel
- From: "seegrist" <seegrist@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:30:14 GMT
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Subject: Y even US policy has cooked Israel
actions speak lounder then words and most Israelis might not know this butdestruction and starting it over and over Its WESTERNs fault. To the extent
we brought hundreds of thousands of arabs if not millions to USA and thus
we now got
protests against US arm sales...who could have predicted this.> I think we
have more arabs in two cities now then most other people who has been here
for long times. I think there was a secret deal with Bush administration.
I think there
are at least five incidents of Jews attacked and with just the number
scene or demographics,
US backing in the future looks dicey and of course continued population
balance of
countries makes the UN a virtual scenario where the people supporting the
terrorits outnumber the victims 1000 to 1 so its like the inmates running
the asylum. I think Jews in Israel better find a way out before its too
late. The world is fked up
when they can't have everything (ARABS) they want including hate and
promise of
liberals buy that there is no moral forgiveness. Then there is revisionist
history and
hate by religion and no compromises and getting their people off the street
to pay for
that hate and if not its WESTERN societies fault to them? What the hell is
their responsibility.
people do bad things but teach and hate and atttack and offer no
alternatives and you get people who react. If not for your sides insistent
demands to want it all and teach hate, you would not have this death. If not
for your sides insistent demands to take your poor and teach them this
insideous hate and destruction, then it backfires all the time, don't blame
your intended victims. Israel doesn't take millions of acres or shoot people
for no reason unless they are attacked over and over by the same people who
attack others for little reason then thinking your better then someone else
or you can. I would like to see you attack USA like you attack people you
have ten times more people with.
Terrorists gain nothing but destruction. Having more Islamic fascistswill
create more death and uncertainty for sure .
your side starts it and promises to never stop
claim of the damage afterward, Is it really only Islamic extremists who
promises to
never stop, starts it again. offers no alternatives, teaches
hate and revisionist history and get tacit support from moderates after
they
already have 99 percent of the mideast and most of oil. These same people
are recruited off the street with nothing and used to scapegoats leaders
who
unite in hate and destruction., and yes sometimes that hate is redirected
at the same leaders To the extent they are able to get protestors
is completely insignificant, they have billions of people and combined
with
UN and other nations who are sabotaged by mideast oil and their own anti
Jewish sentiment this goes on and on. As John McCain said ( eloquently)
there is no moral equivalence when one side starts it and another tries
to defend
itself Terrorists deliberately tries to destroy and kill as many
people as they can. Unless you know of a new science to silence the people
that ( get this ) start it, the terrorists, don't blame the people that
have
way more to lose from trying to stop it. Any major power around the world
would do the same if in the same situation. .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_us/seattle_shooting
Just another hate crime that never gets more then just a mention . One
of thousands directed at jews.
that goes unqualified. Take a dumbass of the street, often time poor
or take leaders trying to control its people and teach him a corrupted
philosophy and he acts lke a demond from hell. Why cause they are too dumb
or poor to think about anything but hate and conspiracies. Then they say its
US policy. Like these people would ever know the differences about what
constituted getting along with others , compromise or with people not like
them..
Is indication of World Disorder
The mass prejudice against jews in the world , shows how insecurity of
people and religion causes grief and wrong values. The people who do the
hating feel justified in some sense by their inherent right to blame their
insecurities on people who are way less powerful and vulnerable and
because
of Jews sense of righteousness which is often perceived as a threat of who
really is of value based on religion. If the Jews have less crime, less
acting out , more education and better associations to love, then maybe
other people feel just that much more insecure with their own religion.
Sure
there is some bad in jews, but given the constant hate and rationale
proven
over and over by the Frances, the Britains and the Churches and Mosques
and
Russias of the world it becomes evident that jews are a perceived threat
not
because of the treason or mass killing of Julies Rosenberg or the killer
from NY city but of the hundreds of things jews bring to the table to
better
the world. From science to entertainment to my own perceived understanding
about balance and that which is right, people who can't change or don't
want
to change see jews as a threat to the status quo. Oil companies and those
in
control are actively killing millions in the NE ( alot of jews ) from
pollution and I honestly to God was one of the first people to point this
out and talk about Global warming yet the hatred from the people that
support these polluters was horrific. I should shut UP! I should not
complain they were poisoning people. The status quo here or in other
countries often subjects people to not question why things are a certain
way. You accept them and shut up. Jews were never good at shutting up at
perceived poisoning and inequalities and so when Oil prices topped 3
dollars, polluters and asthma and downed trees my own health failing, I
see
the complete lack of care or concern by news media. I can just imagine
what
would happen if Jews controlled oil or gas prices. The world churches use
the killing of Christ over and over as a way for the masses to blame jews
for killing their saviour. I hear it over and over on the programs. Yet
how
are we responsible in one sense and in another sense, you get your great
Jesus as a result? Seriously, is there a science to have a great religion
from circumstances that may or may not included jews yet blame them for
killing him the rest of our lives. I don't see jews trying to convert
anyone, I don't see jews saying no peace ever, I never saw a jew tell
another jew lets blame all Christians for murder or crime or alcoholism so
lets beat em up. Rarely if ever. Yet if other religions are so secure why
does it happen to Jews.? I think seriously if there is a reason Jews have
higher mental illness, is because they see how BBC rationalizes, they see
how Russia rationalizes, they see it and become disillusioned.
Disillusioned
because If Mideast policy is any example the world ignores what percent
the
Arabs have, who starts the wars, and who promises to destroy the other
side,
instead spending countless hours telling the world how their bombs are
killing others , how unfair it is to go after people who promise their
destruction and even vote it in. How unfair it is to have one percent and
be
threatened to die everyday of their lives for wanting to exist. In my
world
dysfunction and policy towards Israel go hand in hand. There is no moral
equivalent for people who get so much money for oil , uses that money to
destroy another people for basically being good. I am not saying all jews
are good because I see many as obnoxious worrying about themselves but
they
don't cross the line and then drink drug and promote hate though ususally.
The good jews are very good people and want everyone to be happy and
loving.
Why is it people can't fathom to treat us like they want to be treated? A
policy in the mideast that understands their small desire to live with
peace
with their neighbors. If anything things like BBC and church of england
cannot handle the threat of someone being equal to them .The same for
Russia, the idea of freedom and doing the right thing is a complete
affront
to their system of control . The world is about control and often the
expectation of status quo in the world to produce jobs and hate is the
intended goal at the expense of truth and justice. One might ask oneself
if
religions could flourish without hating others to the degree that they do
...The insecurity of people in the world today and probably in the world
before always targets the people most likely who would make this a better
world if only they could compromise and open their heart.. One can only
imagine how hate against jews is the biggest example in showing world that
often no matter what you try to do, the right thing sometimes don't matter
because of your race or religion. Control and hate need outlets for
insecure people and the people in control need these scapegoats to
justify their control.who else better then jews to blame . Why not accept
the good in religion, why not accept truths in life, why not try to change
people based on the right things instead of hate. you tell a jew he is
evil or control everything, or deserves to be killed that does not change
the need for the world to do better. That will not make insecure people
better able to function with right values.Beating someone up does not
change the insecurity to getting to a better place that comes from
within. Whether its from Arabs or from nazis destroying someone else
without having anything good to takes its place is an affront to God,
truth and life..... other countries who accept hate ( church of England,
bbc, Chirac maybe?,and others ( can go on) might be better to try to
understand insecurity and truth and compromise fairly then blaming jews
for the world problems because if you look closely Jews don't want to
destroy anyone and are a better reflection on who you are then who you are
not! Jews don't want twenty places in the world to be exclusively jewish,
jews don't want to convert anyone, and jews often want the chance to
survive like you do and do better for the world. It would be nice to see
the press see the obvious, in the world then accept hate and status quo
often paid off by old stereotypes insecurity and oil money.
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
At some point if you can't argue a point without seeing both
sides
you may as well just use religion to rationalize everything. Setting
role
models based on religion might be the best solution for many in Europe
who not only rely on old sterotypes for expectation of policy on the
news, but also then refuse to equate the differences between who was
attacked first, who teaches hate of arab people especially the poor arab
worker, and who is defending oneself. John McCain said there is no
moral equivalent of a country that is trying to defend itself and
shooting rockets and terrorists taken off the street paid to hate and
kill as many people as possible with peace agreements or not.
Why is Europe sooo one sided here when not only is there not a moral
equivalent in accepting relgious hate and murder as goals by terrorists but
, who caN'T UNDERSTAND WHO HAS WHAT IN PERCENTAGES. WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT A PEOPLE HAVE TO LIVE WITH SURROUNDED IN THE AREA WITH PROMISES OF ITS
DESTRUCTIONS EVERYDAY OF THEIR LIVES .T HIS IS NOT THE FEARS OF MILLIONS OF
ARABS IF NOT FOR VOTING IN TERRORISM. or starting the battles,. ISRAEL NEVER
SHOOTS WITHOUT PROVOCATION. AND EUROPE KNOWS IT.. Politics by religion is
flawed
if the values they set are bias and flawed! God gave us a brain to use
in
addition to religion The world politicians should ask
if they
are going to worry about a response to terror but not who starts it
or has most everything or who actually tried to have peace but the
other
sides don't WANT IT, then what good
is reasoning or writing about blame? Who has tried to compromise thru
all
this, who has most to lose thru all this? . sure everyone deserves peace
and a
place to reside but there are some people like the nazis that just want
to
hate and by countries not acknowledging that HATE more then anything it
enables
the status quo and process to continue.
We are constantly told the arab
.. One can easily see when one side gets preferential. The UN AND OTHER SUPPOSIDLY OBJCTIVE CONCERNS has enabled the presentworld is going to hate the west more. Well so be it if they are the ones
that support such horrific values and organizes its people that way. AND
SUPPORT NO PEACE EVER , AND RELIGIOUS REVISIONISM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
condition by never going after
Syria or Hezbulloh , or Irans....but often going after the country that
has much more to lose by fighting or doing nothing..VIRTUALLYTHERE
REALLY
ISN'T A THING iSRAEL DID PRO OR CON THAT WOULD HELP THEM SURVIVE EASIER
TO BBC OR UN EXCEPT STAY STILL AND ACCEPT THE BOMBS AND RESTARTING OF
TERROR. The lopsided votes
around the world adds to dysfunction in general because it legitimizes
hate and associates power with complicity and acceptance of people based
soley on religion and hate. I can't help to think that chirac and BBC
get
much joy in these battles. I think the powers that be have a surprise
coming in after life.
...
when one side has most of the oil , most of the land, most of the
people
,
teaches hate, starts it , doesn't stop and then gets to call the shots
after promising to never stop, one can easily see that the world is not
based on facts, its about power, money and religion. We were given a
brain
to utilize thought but when even animals don't kill each other en mass
because they can but prescribing to some religious theory one
supposidly can ,only
makes one wonder why a sane world would allow it and it comes down to
religion Briton
and
France and Russia think their anti semitism don't matter .. This is
how the Arab side ( the people
are
taught to rationalize) they want to hate and kill more then they want
peace and the UN refusing to ever look at the supporters of terror keep
it going. . The people In Britain write massacre, yet the terrorists
start it.!!!! and promise to massacre if they had their way. read their
lips :
yet politicians in Europe don't care! One side calls for the
elimination so
Soviets
give me rockets. repeat that so the Soviets give em rockets.
treatment
based on religion it spurs people to question the reason for
intellect.or even doing the right things if after everything is said
and done we are judged more on things that we have no control of then
conscious decisions of control and thought.
We
may as well just be drones to religious beliefs.
Israel will be worried about handing out flyers while they were
murdered.
Its
too bad I have such illprepared people as relatives. The people who
promise
their destruction don't deserve flyers, and the people who act as
middlemen
are the ones supplying arms Like Russia and Iran. to people who never
envision peace and one has to ask Russia why they pretend to be for
anything
less then mass murder by having this great relationship with
Iran.Russia
is
plain Evil now
One has to wonder if Israel is really prepared
The world was silent again about who started it, whatto use their nukes . Thats basically all I care about . Israel is a
forgone
conclusion and would like to argue with anyone who thinks it isn't.
All this was predictable.There are now five countries working on
larger
export of weapons to
destroy people ( Israel) . just by the progression of numbers and
time, its
over
for
Israel . Russia and Iran probably more responsible then the Saudis
and
rest
of the world but thats just the way it is.You have 100 times more
people
land and money and Oil money i and you have Israels imminent
destruction A cease fire will mean prolonging
the inevitable. If you look at the enemy they are like zombies and if
your
not committed to fighting this then don't be surprised of their
ability
to
destroy. They boast about their ability to destroy but offer no
concrete formulations for life and values
percentagespromise to not stop its either them or Israel and so its on them to
they had and their ability to never end it or compromise. The UN a
complete
joke with those who never wanted peace and finance terror able to
call
the
one percent that did , the people who are responsible.and racist. .
This
thing
with jews is part and parcel to power that control oil and promotes
global
warming, hate and sometimes even pollution. There are billions of
peoople who act
out,
drink, take drugs comitt crimes and pollute the world,, and jews are
rarely
part of that mix. . Even the US its over with support, I believe
eventually with literally
millions of new Arabs as immigrants, many people in other areas dont
see.
not that people don't deserve freedom but why are the people who
traditionally hate allowed this new power ? The answer, well you know
it.. dilute jew influence at least that the only thing I can fathom.
.
I don't see a hell of chance that Israel is going to survive in
future.
You see the people who rationalize hate? They don't talk about
percentages,
who starts it..or peace or compromises they try to rationalize hate
and
terror ,thats
their argument a good percent of the time and when the world turns a
blind
eye to that they are complicitedly stating its ok to hate because of
the
same things.. The insecurity of the billions that fight and live
based on emotion and acting out , no freedoms and religion hate.
All the people in
the
world that never thought about doing the right things because their
emotion
reaction was more compelling and when world does nothing and can't
decipher who has what , making decisions based on religious hate and
who
has more people and who has most to lose, they are sending the wrong
messages to enable bullies of the world and dysfunction. . The rest
of world
just
gets paid off in same hate in just different degrees and this sends
the
message to world that it
doesn't matter who starts it, who has what in percentages, or
promises
to
never stop as long as your born a certain way or religion we will
vote you down.
In
the
world as long as you can get away with being evil its ok.... we send
that
message every day when we can't decipher simple things about who
starts
it
or never stops or who teaches and pays for hate.: Russia and Iran...
basically till you can find a way to stop the people who start it and
stop,
Israel is doing what they think it needs to do to stop them . If
everything was equal if not for Hezbulloh there would be no
bombs.Thats
the
bottom line. If you don't put cancer in a body you won't need the
harmful
meds to begin with Now only
people who decidedly don't want to see both sides of the story would
blame
Israel. There is no other way to remove the terrorists infrastructure
unless
you discovered a new science.
its the nature of terrorism and why gutless people who use citizens to
hide
are the real dredges...REALLY.
hezbullo promises the other sides destruction and then they complain
when
countries take
drastic acton to stop it Wow how surprising? Their side never has an
obligation to follow thru on peace but hoooody someone responds to
attacks
and thats what is worth getting outraged about ( ALSO KNOWN as the
GOALS
Of
TERRORISM). Lets see what other
countries would do in same circumstances. I argue much more should
have
been
done ages ago. When Israel follows thru on peace goals the other side
breaks
em ( bus bombs disco bombing , and now in Lebanon). When Israel does
nothing, they just rearm with more and better weapons and start anew.
The
same arab countries that complain about response offeres no other
solution
except different degrees of support to the people who offer the same
destruction it objects to. If everything was equal the
countries that keep starting it and promising to not stop should not
be
the
ones complaining when country responds.
Subject: When Nations Don't Care who Starts It
or promises to end it , who teaches religious hate or who promises
the
other sides destruction or supports the same, its purely wrong and ,
they
become the enabler
If the people who support the terror have 100 times more people then
the
people who are its intended victims , then UN could never be expected
solve problems.
" place to reside but there are some people like the nazis that just want
. The UN AND OTHER SUPPOSIDLY OBJCTIVE CONCERNS has enabled the presentto
hate and by countries not acknowledging that HATE more then anything it
enables
the status quo and process to continue. We are constantly told the arab
world is going to hate the west more. Well so be it if they are the
ones
that support such horrific values and organizes its people that way.
AND
SUPPORT NO PEACE EVER , AND RELIGIOUS REVISIONISM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
condition by never going after
Syria or Hezbulloh , or Irans....but often going after the country that
has much more to lose by fighting or doing nothing..VIRTUALLYTHERE
REALLY ISN'T A THING iSRAEL DID PRO OR CON THAT WOULD HELP THEM SURVIVE
EASIER TO BBC OR UN EXCEPT STAY STILL AND ACCEPT THE BOMBS AND
RESTARTING OF TERROR. The lopsided votes
around the world adds to dysfunction in general because it legitimizes
hate and associates power with complicity and acceptance of people
based
soley on religion and hate. I can't help to think that chirac and BBC
get
much joy in these battles. I think the powers that be have a surprise
coming in after life.
">>>>>>> the
one percent that did , the people who are responsible.and racist. .people who decidedly don't want to see both sides of the story would
Now only
blame
Israel. There is no other way to remove the terrorists infrastructure
unless
you discovered a new science.
its the nature of terrorism and why gutless people who use citizens
to
hide
are the real dredges...REALLY.
hezbullo promises the other sides destruction and then they complain
when
countries take
drastic acton to stop it Wow how surprising? Their side never has an
obligation to follow thru on peace but hoooody someone responds to
attacks
and thats what is worth getting outraged about ( ALSO KNOWN as the
GOALS
Of
TERRORISM). Lets see what other
countries would do in same circumstances. I argue much more should
have
been
done ages ago. When Israel follows thru on peace goals the other side
breaks
em ( bus bombs disco bombing ,zHamas, voting in terrorists as leaders
and now in Lebanon). When Israel does
nothing, they just rearm with more and better weapons and start anew.
The
same arab countries that complain about response offeres no other
solution
except different degrees of support to the people who offer the
same
destruction it objects to. If everything was equal the
countries that keep starting it and promising to not stop should not
be
the
ones complaining when country responds.
Subject: When Nations Don't Care who Starts It
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060803/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_islamic_meeting
When are arabs outraged at having 99 percent
IT would be one thing to ask for ceasefire based on both sides or who
started it but to suggest a ceasefire based on Israels response
while
saying
nothing on why terrorists started it or lob bombs on Israel proves
Islamic
countries have absolutely no will for objectivity or peace...
especially
having Iran there calling for Israels destruction, at the same time
a
total crazy metaphor. If your going to destroy Israel or fight to
destroy
Israel how can a country be held liable for not not allowing
terrorists
to
have freedom to do that?
as if getting that oil money ws enough, they got to have it all ,
when
99
percent of the area is never enough,and they got
to have a world follow islam and if not Hate and use God and death
in
sentence after
sentence, Hate hate and more hate and then they complain when
someone
responds to terror. Peace agreements don't mean a thing because like
Arab
editor told US 60 minutes ,,, " we tell em what they want to hear"
and
then
he laughs. These people cannot never get past religion, even
moderates.Moderate cannot be conncerened about the people that
started
it,
the bombs rained down on Israel, not the countries and terrorists
who
promise to never end the fighting, as long as they can be for Islam
all
else is open for
criticizm again as if It wasn't about that from the start. and then
they
export that hate because their people don't have freedoms or any
work..
It
would be one thing if they worked for peace but they cannot
distiguish
between policies and acceptance of peace and freedom of religion and
compromises. In Iraq in Jordan and
everywhere else there is Islam and often fighting.
This is proven by attacks against others who are only guilty of
being
wrong
religion and being wrong religion means paranoia to too many
Muslims. The
freedom
to
attack others over religion over and over goes unabated by thinkers
even
moderates in Arab world wow!
of everything offering the only country in area not Islamic any
offering
of
peace? If they are outraged a country responds to NO PEACE EVER and
Calls
for its destruction and real bombings, it wasn't very committed to a
peace
was it? It was never
really objective in being able to accept strong ideals was it?
where is arab outrage at who started it, or hate by religion ( as is
evident
by this newsgroup?) or by Irans promise of Israels destruction,
promises of never stopping to lob bombs and terrorist activity? It
works
both ways and the deciding factor is when one side starts it and
never
stops... end of story
If its not important to determine who starts it all the time or
promises
its very nature invites people under false pretense toto never stop I suppose its not important to even care who toTerrorism by
blame...
a
world gone mad..
worry
more about the civilians then the terrorists actions or people and
countries who allow
the terrorists to reside there, or worse yet vote them in offic
never stop. I assume if its important to find politicans aggravated
at
jews,
one might ask arabs or leaders what choices Israelis have with this
kind
of
blind hate.when they offer no solutions to hate and killings and
terrorism
, not just here
but around the world. How do you rationalize support for people
who
have
most of the land and people and support for terrorists who
indescriminitely
kill at will cause of religion ? Then gets support simply because
they
hide in civilian populations? Is there a way to stop them without
getting
them? Is there a science to stop while the other side never does?
Again not just here but in other places ?
Israel alone in next battles
crusadses, inquisition, and holocaust, always the jews fault even
though
they have the highest education, lowest violent crime, and world
class
scientists and artists. This times its the jews fault for not
having
bombs
that see where terrorists hide are all the time. No time to discuss
or
no
time to
have resolution about : who starts
it , promises to never stop it. no compromises, bus attacks,
religious
hate,
shooting missles at sites from where citizens roam
attacks jews all around the world, lies in their papers , no one to
question
the Arab press or politicians ,, and no sanity again when it comes
to
getting jews. Israel and jews will be alone again thru it all.
Muslims going after jews, muslims supporting people who
don't want peace ever shooting missles into Israel, starting the
battles
promising to never stop, starting the fighting this time after
hitting
a
tank after a ceasefire , kidnapping soldiers again and again the
world
silent. No UN resolutions against terrorists there ever. There is
nothing
Israel can ever do to appease Nazis and UN knows it but the
inmates
control the asylum here .No press to ask
politicans what is a country to do if the terorists don't stop
bombing
.
If its not important to determine who starts it all the time or
promises
to never stop I suppose its not important to even care who to
blame...
a
world gone mad.. Hypocritical world fighting terrorists but when
it
comes
to the jews they blame Israel? What has Russia done? What has
anyone
done
to protect their citizens from nazis hate? I will tell you the
press
in
my
lifetime at first never mentioned the terrorists desire to destroy
Israel
for years IN USA and probably never in Arab world. The press
doesn't
ask
leaders why terrorists start the fighting, if their supporters
always
complain of the consequences, and promises to never stop, and
or
question why Arabs support this no peace ever bit all the time or
even
Muslm. What logical response
can
Israel ever have if this is what promotes more Arabs to attack?
The
press
is blatantly with Europe at looking at one side. No one will be
with
Isael
in the next wars. Bush now has ruled out US help .
"seegrist" <seegrist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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actions speak lounder then words and most Israelis might not know this but
we brought hundreds of thousands of arabs if not millions to USA and thus
we now got
protests against US arm sales...who could have predicted this.> I think we
have more arabs in two cities now then most other people who has been here
for long times. I think there was a secret deal with Bush administration.
I think there
are at least five incidents of Jews attacked and with just the number
scene or demographics,
US backing in the future looks dicey and of course continued population
balance of
countries makes the UN a virtual scenario where the people supporting the
terrorits outnumber the victims 1000 to 1 so its like the inmates running
the asylum. I think Jews in Israel better find a way out before its too
late. The world is fked up
.
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