Re: what a waste

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Paul Carr wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:02 pm, "EX_OWM" <allthespamyoul...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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PaulCarrwrote:
They don't control what I read. I read what I like.

Ah, you don't know what the Chinese government did with Google and
others ... I suppose that shows it worked ;)

Nonsense. There are a multitude of ways to get around the Great
Firewall of China. Proxy servers, VPNs and so on.

Ah, that makes it all right then <shrugs shoulders>

I never said it was alright but that's just the way it is.

You've been trying to dismiss it as no big deal.

Okay, first of all, let me repeat. I can access wikipedia. In your
other
post, you wrote that I need proxify to access wikipedia. Not true. I
already told you that wasn't true. Particular pages on the wikipedia
(english edition) appear to be blocked or restricted. For example,
the page
you forwarded me yesterday. I tried to access that page. What
happened was
that some of the content of the page loaded and then my entire
internet shut
down for 20 seconds or so so that I couldn't access any page on the
internet
for that time.

And I'm used to this. I've been in the People's Republic of China for
over 3
years now and, trust me, it happens to me all the time and, as far as
I'm
concerned, yes, it's no big deal. I can get around it using
proxify.com to
access a forbidden wikipedia page or I can use freegate. And, I am
sure
there are many other ways.

Personally, I think censorship is a bad idea. I think the Chinese
government should allow people to access all pages. I think the
Chinese
government is beginning to learn that the international media can be
their
friend rather than their enemy. Take the Xinjiang protests this year.
Compare that to the Tibet protests last year. There were government
crackdowns in both cases, of course. But, this year, for the Xinjiang
protests, the government allowed more of the international media in in
the
aftermath of the government/police crackdown in order to report more
freely,
as far as I'm aware. This is a step in the right direction. When a
government censors, then people outside the jurisdiction of that
govenment,
entertain their worst fears.

Whilst I don't approve of government sponsored censorship, I perfectly
understand it. I think Hugo Chavez this year said that the CIA, as an
extra-judicial and international body, operate over and above the
authority
of the President of the United States of America. In some cases, as
Hugo
Chavez noted, the US President isn't even aware of its activities.
The CIA
was actively involved in spreading dissent in Tibet in the 1950s.
And, the
Chinese government today is well-aware of how powerful an organization
the
CIA remains to this day, remaining unaccountable.

Bullshit, you may say. But consider that this March, I believe, US
Department of Justice memoranda were released that revealed that CIA
operatives were allowed to torture in places like Guantanamo Bay.
These
memoranda even detailed the kind of torture they could do and thus
receive
Department of Justice legal protection. I believe, if I'm not
mistaken,
within a day or two of those shocking revelations, President Barack
Obama
staged a public relations event, gave a speech in front of a gathered
crowd
of CIA operatives to tell them that they're patriotic "Americans" and
that
no CIA operative would be prosecuted. Now, that is one powerful
organization!! So, yes, I agree with Hugo Chavez on the power that
the CIA
wields.

English language websites are viewed by only a small percentage of the
overall Chinese internet viewing public which I believe now is over
250
million. That's the number of Chinese people in total who are now
accessing
the internet. Websites such as facebook, even youtube, wikipedia, ah,
twitter and so on feature small in the surfing universe of these
people.
That's because they don't read English, they read Chinese. They use
baidu.com not yahoo.com or google.com to access their information and
to
search. And there are plenty of Chinese social networking sites that
they
use rather than the US founded facebook. Now, it would be interesting
to
know what sort of censorship is going on there, in Chinese language
websites, and fora and social networking sites and message boards and
I
would say that it is getting smaller and smaller every year as the
Chinese
government/Communist party grows in confidence in its grip on power as
China's middle class expands. I reckon its middle class is over 330
million
people by now.

Anyway to get back to WHY the Chinese government censors some English
speaking websites, you gotta understand that the government here
doesn't
want an accountable undemocratic organization like the CIA undermining
Chinese sovereignty from within like it did in the 1950s. Also, of
course,
China remains to a large extent governed by one party (though not
exclusively),the Chinese Communist party. They don't want other
organizations challenging its authority like Falun Gong did in the
late
1990s. I think Falun Gong's membership rivaled that of the Communist
party
at that time. Clearly, that wasn't acceptable to the Communist party
and so
there was a crackdown on membership of that organization at that
time. In
many ways, the Chinese Communist party's domestic policy is similar to
the
US government's internatonal imperialist policy. It seeks to project
its
might and its unchallengability. The Chinese Communist party in China
cannot be seen to be challenged in terms of its overall leadership in
membership of a particular organization. The US government and army
cannot
be seen to be challenged in terms of overall global military
expenditure.
The US is now spending roughly half of all global military
expenditure.
Their philosophies are ones of: might is right. The challenge for
both
countries is to get off this horse. My money is on the Chinese
Communist
party getting off its horse first, before the US government does the
same.
.

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