Re: A little message to Republicans here on SCI...

Jackie Paper wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:38:46 +0100, in soc.culture.irish "Hal Ó
Mearadhaigh." <homestud@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote :

Jackie Paper wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:45:20 +0100, in soc.culture.irish "Hal Ó
Mearadhaigh." <homestud@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote :

Jackie Paper wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:36:28 +0100, in soc.culture.irish "Hal Ó
Mearadhaigh." <homestud@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote :

WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:51:43 GMT, "Falcon" <falcon@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Westprog wrote:

Falcon wrote:
[...]
Yeah... The BA are pulling out of NI, all their towers are
down, and they are now confined to barracks... Yeah! The
IRA really lost that war!

The IRA certainly did lose, of course they did! They ceased their
murder campain ONLY because the People Of Ireland, in a
Referendum vote of 95%, told them to stop immediately!
Republicans had lost all credibility. Power to the People! It
had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with the Republican
murder campain, which is now seen in it's true light of being a
complete waste of time and many hundreds of innocent lives.

Oh GOD another loony!

1, Ad hominem away for all you like
(you Started it, so don't cry about Ad hominem when you get it back!!
)

AH! Another Republican appologist for murder!

In Fact, Quite the opposite, I am not even Catholic,

Which, of course, has NO bearing on anything,

Actually it does, It is unlikely ( not impossible) that a
Non-Catholic would join the Republicans in the North 1968 - up until
the Belfast Agreement.
1, If he was not, then he would have only two reason to join the
IRA/SF and they would be 1, a mercenary and 2, someone wanting revenge
on the British, Most certainly no, non-Catholic Irish nor British
person would have joined IRA/SF for any other reason. (££ or anger)
And so you do not try to score a silly point, just because someone is
a Catholic it does not mean they WILL join IRA/SF


since there is nothing to stop a non-Catholic being a Republican.

No one said any different, but you go ahead and twist words!
it seems you have no teeth in your "debate" as you have failed to
address everything but this one small point.

Your the loony, not I! Had
Republicans NOT decided on taking up arms illegally all those years
ago, we could have been living in peace many years ago as well,
without all the sectarian hatreds which were deliberatly cultured
by Republicans in the insane hopes of forcing a United Ireland.

OH MY GOD, you really have shown yourself up for what you are; a
blind apologetic, word spinning, ignoramus, who has never understood
the current results of the conflict.

The IRA did actually win, their goal of a "United ireland" has
never been this close in the history of this island.

What planet are you on, for Gods sake! Absolute rubbish.

1, Ad hominem away for all you like
(you Started it, so don't cry about Ad hominem when you get it back!)

Only a Blind ignoramus like you would not see the truth here!

The IRA have actually win, they are ruling this country now,
they are in the current, fully legit government. In anyone's
books that is NOT losing! that is winning, it is what they
wanted from in onset.

Ruling "what" country? The North of Ireland? The Republic of
Ireland? Total rubbish!

It is incase the point has flown over your tiny little brain
Northern Ireland IS a CONTRY, ever since it got it's own devolved
government.

In case you forget, the Assembly is a "shared" form of rule. Sinn
Fein/IRA (Gerry Adams Style) does NOT have a majority in power, not
by a long chalk.

No one said they had a majority, it is a plain fact that they are
legitimately in the COUNTRY's Government and Ruling it.

As for the Republic, well, the last election were instead of ten
seats in the Dail as expected, Sinn Fein only achieved FOUR seats,
one less than previously!! - Hardly a case of ruling the country,
don't cha' know!

Totally irrelevant, they are legitimately in the COUNTRY's
Government and Ruling it.

In what Referendum vote of 95%, told them to stop immediately?
None! that was ever held here on this island. Never has there
been 95% of the people on this island, voting for any such thing!
You seem to be one of those that did not even read what the people
of the South or what they people of the North were asked to vote
about?

Oh dear! Obviously, you have been resident in John O'Gods then!
See:

1, Ad hominem away for all you like
(you Started it, so don't cry about Ad hominem when you get it back!!
)


http://tinyurl.com/26jvvd

That shows absolutely nothing that refers to any vote of 95%, that
even hinted at telling them to stop immediately? None!

It is a link to news media for god sake! But of course you believe
everything and anything in the news

And also see:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/northireland1.html

Again, where does that state in any way that a vote of 95%, that
even hinted at telling them to stop immediately? None!
Do please show some information to your claim they were told to stop
by a 95% vote! OH... any credible source will do !

Let me help you out a little here;
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/peace/docs/agreement.htm
You REALLY should read it ! Oh, sorry it does not contain any
pictures so you better ask someone to read it for you.

Republicans had lost all credibility??
YES of course you are right (NOT). That is why they are in a
fully working and legit government today, that rules this country.

ROTFLMAO! Really? Where? When? Since when have Republicans got any
credibility?

So; the government of this "COUNTRY" has no credibility !!
you really do need to go learn some things about this COUNTRY

After all the crime, bank robberies, drug dealing, murders, the
Northern Bank robbery? You ARE joking, of course.

Totally irrelevant, they, like it or not, are the legitimate
democratically elected government of this country


As for your claim that; It had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do
with the Republican campaign, that is a total lie, without the
Republican campaign, they would not be in a fully operational
legitimate government, ruling the country today ! That is an
undeniable fact!

No. It is you who is wrong here. Had Republicans kept out of the
picture instead of taking the Northern Nationalists to the cleaners
and advising them to take up illegal arms,

They have 75% achieved their goal and now legitimately rule this
Country, they also have legitimate seats in the Southern Government,
thus are the only party that is in Legitimate, democratically
across the whole island. no other party, anywhere can claim that !

we "might", indeed, be well on the way to a
United Ireland by now. Sadly, that aspiration will now happen in
well in excess of 100 years time. Similarly to the Civil War and
the Easter Rising, the Republican Movement completely misread the
situation and the thirtyfour years of murder and mayhem only
resulted in sectarian and familial hatreds that will take at least
100 years to settle. All the efforts of present day Republicans to
twist history to try to explain that they did not "lose" and were
forced to comply with civilised and democratic behavior by the
people of Ireland, North and South, merely exposes Republicans for
the liars that they actually are and always have been.

Again totally irrelevant, they "fought" for and have realised
their goal of being in government, ruling the whole of this island.
These are undeniable facts ! (I reserve my definition of "fought")

How they "fought" and what murderous mean's they used have become
totally irrelevant now, the Previous Governments (UK & Eire) and the
people of this island did actually vote to forgive and forget all
actions by all terrorist groups on this island, in the Belfast
agreement, by agreeing to let the terrorist prisoners out of jail.
No matter what way you want to look at it, that is a true and
verifiable fact !

The IRA and it's members are, by all governments across the world
regarded as worthy to run a country and have enforced that ideal
by giving them Northern Ireland as a country to govern. You cannot
argue with those facts, no matter what you personally believe them
to be.

No, you are wrong here, yet again.

NO, only your wishful thinking and blind, ignormatic view leads you
to that conclusion! they are legitimately and democratically
elected into this COUNTRY's Government and are Ruling it.

We in the North have been blackmailed by
the British and Irish Governments into entering democratic
government with murderers and bank robbers and criminals.

LMAO You have said that 95% of the population democratically
voted on this and the fact that the people of this country elected
them into government proves you wrong!
You voted for Belfast agreement and that means that you voted for
what we have today, that was not blackmail, you had your freedom of
choice. I, in fact, voted NO to the agreement. but as it was a
democratic vote that was passed I have to abide by what you
foolishly did not understand at the time, which was to
democratically elect a couple of terrorist groups into legitimate
government to create this now) country of Northern Ireland!

The fact is that Paisley and the
DUP had no option other than to do that.

RUBBISH TOTAL AND UTTER RUBBISH
Big Ian had a choice as he has always had, he obviously had decided
that the IRA aka. Gerry and co. had enough credibility and integrity
to be elected into government with him!

Bertie Aherne himself said that
"he", personally, would not have Sinn Fein sharing power in the
Dail, and did not have anything to do with them in the election.
Interestingly,

And at that time Sinn Fein were in Government with in his own
country, how hypocritical can you get, total stupidity LMAO

now
that Sinn Fein/IRA do have some positions of power, it becomes
obvious that they enjoy this. I will be most surprised if any such
thing as a referendum is ever held to try to force a United
Ireland,

Oh you total lack of understanding the Belfast agreement is showing
here, the referendum you talk about can be held every seven years
should the people decide it. What part of that do you not
understand?

especially because the North
of Ireland's economy is about to take off, whilst the Republic's
economy is sliding into the doldrums of recession.

So what? I will tell you what..... for a start the south is already
on a massive scale investing in the North, They are buying the
north!! The economics of the South are being shifted to the North,
in preparation of a united island. Everything is so much cheaper in
the North, they are buying up land and property, quicker than
hamburgers at a Bobby Sands memorial BBQ. Their vision into the
future is unlike your, they see a house in the north for £100k -
£500k and know full well come a united island they will be worth
?500k to ?2500k, That is one hell of a return on their investment.
It is a 'money' thing and it has got stuff all to do with the
ruling of the country.

Wake up! smell the roses they may not be as sweet as they should
be but they are still the rose.......... with all it's thorns!

I fear that you are ignoring basic facts.

The basic facts you fail to see at all !

I am sure and certain that the
Assembly will be a huge success by the way, and as such nobody will
want to abandon the status quo with the rest of the UK.

Oh yes of course it will you blindly voted for murders to be
released from prison, to be let lose on the streets and to be
elected into government and into the police force, jeesh where do
your apologies for your short sightedness and hypocritical nature
stop?

Oh, and I am delighted that
the agreed peace is working out and hope indeed that success will
endure.

YOU sold your country out by voting and by electing terrorists into
government, that is a plain fact.

Generally, opinion is that Republicans have blown it and no matter
what happens can never take up arms ever again.

Don't talk such rubbish, the arms are only beyond use, there is no
proof that they cannot be re-commissioned at any future date. If you
think otherwise please feel free to give what no one else has ever
given and that is verifiable proof they arms were in fact destroyed
!

Do have a nice day!

A nice day?
Ha ha, thanks to the likes of you, the IRA's day has long since
come!

Now go get a life, and maybe some day a brain so that you will
realise the truth, Britain, it's government and its troops did not
win anything, they had to give and HAVE given in to IRA/sinnFein.
which has achieved the goal of IRA/SinnFein of being in government
and ruling the whole of this island.

Read the lyrics, and try to understand them, it is time to move on!

ROTFLMAO!! I am not even going to answer your "points" if you can
call them that. Ad hominem away for all you like. Your comments
merely go to show your total ignorance and lack of empathy.

1, Ad hominem away for all you like
(you Started it, so don't cry about Ad hominem when you get it back!!
)

Your opinions are irellevant.

Your points have been totally blown out of the water, showing you up,
yet again as a fool, (You should take that up as a profession! Who
knows you might ever get paid for it) Still you are running true to
form, I don't think you have won any debate against me, ever!
(If you don't know you either don't need to know, or you are just to
damn thick to know, Good luck!)

JP,
PS
Sorry about the non snip it was deliberate:)

ROTFL!! Since, SFAIK, I have never debated or argued with you before, (Jackie Paper? Never heard of you!), it is highly unlikely that there was any instance of winning or losing. You are the fool, and as such I would not get invilved with silly childishness that you indulge in. All your opinions are based on nothing so far as can be seen, with no supporting context.

You will see that I, too, have failed to snip deliberately, so that everyone can see the idiocy of your comments and thought processes.

Thankfully, you are now on my Kill File and I will not be bothered with your drivel ever again.

--
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

.

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