Re: Letter of Copernicus to Pope Paul


Post.Post.Colonial.Boy wrote:
On 3 Sep 2006 12:06:48 -0700, "oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Michael O'Neill wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

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I see the usual call to killfile my posts

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Fuckit, just ignore them.

Makes a chage to read your stuff rather than the bleatings and rantings
of those calling for your posts to be killfiled.

M.

Michael

The Newgrange monument was created by pragmatic and careful people who
knew what they were doing in determining the annual cycle through the
roofbox structure and the rays of sunlight entering the interior.The
same care was applied by other civilisations up to and including the
Western astronomical tradition of Copernicus and Kepler.Then people,the
anti-intuitive 17th century empiricists got careless and these are the
guys here busy 'plonking',killfiling and being a nuisance.

Does it not suprise you that even Nasa gets the basic correlation
between clocks and axial rotation wrong ? -


Period Of Rotation
The actual value is 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. This is the
length of a "sidereal" day. It is the actual time it takes the Earth to
rotate 360 degrees. The term "sidereal" (pronounced sigh-dear'-real)
refers to the rotation of the Earth being measured relative to the
stars. There ARE 24 hours in a "solar day". This is the time it takes
from one noon (sun overhead) to the next noon. The difference in the
two "days" arises from the fact that during a day the Earth also
travels nearly a degree further on its yearly trek around the Sun.
NASA

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml

People would refuse to believe that the empirical doctrines in
astronomical matters justify axial rotation as a different value than
15 degrees per hour but the above list of references shows just how
pandemic the erroneous reasoning is.

I have to rely on the most remote of possibilities,that somebody here
has read the Longitude story of John Harrison and enjoyed that book.The
actual principles which govern axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour
were absent from that book,with a little effort from the new Goggle
website,it becomes possible to demonstrate how the Equation of Time
reduces the natural unequal day to the 24 hour day and simultaneously
reduces the observation of natural noon to terrestial longitudes -

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0e8wj0K_xQ2xlXO4iX&id=INpRAJ0dxGYC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA12&dq=equation+of+time+longitude

In short,the entire framework for the Newtonian concepts of planetary
motion are based on the wrong value for axial rotation,the sidereal
justification.I assure you Michael,watching these empiricists assault
the faith of good Christians while denominational Christianity remains
mute is an experience that I wish to say little about other than being
intellectually subservient to obvious foolishness cannot represent
Christ or Christianity,that the empiricists are left with their
insults cannot substitute for the silence from Christians ,Irish or
otherwise.

Ah...I see...a religious motive...as I asked earlier.

You're seeing insult that simply isn't there...and neither is any
insult intended.

PPCB


Fellow Christians are insulting me by their silence on this important
matter,as for you,well the only other other people I can think of with
problems concerning the 24 hour day and natural phenomena are the
creationists.I do not credit empiricists,at least in astronomical
matters ,with an abundance of intelligence however you can indeed
create a racket even if your concepots lack content and character.

The damaging consequences of the simple error at the core of the
empirical treatment of astronomy goes far beyond anything historically
witnessed before .The great Western astronomical achievements are
tempoirarily in ruins,even terms such as 'achievement' are misplaced
as society is led to believe in the 'genius' of mathematicians and
their non geometric treatment of astronomy.Astronomy is all geometry in
motion and contemporary imaging and time lapse footage makes
understanding the Copernican insights so easy.

If somebody burned the Book Of Kells there would be an uproar,likewise
if Newgrange was blown to bits,that Christians stand by and watch two
of the greatest human achievements ever - the 24 hour clock system at
it correlation to axial rotation plus the Copernican heliocentric
system mangled for a sour anti-Catholic creature like Newton and his
agenda is more remarkable than anything else.You will continue to
believe what you want because you know no better,that is part of the
empirical indoctrination but my Christian faith does not accept phony
conceptual thinking regardless of how convenient it may be .

The only thing I have asked of people here is to look beyond the
convenient fables which are now in place to create the impression that
denominational Christianity opposed the insight of its members in
astronomical matters.The Copernican insights and the later refinements
by Kepler and Roemer are entirely based on judgement of objects in
motion,anyone who drives a car uses these judgement all the time will
most certainly grasp the prime argument for the orbital motion of the
Earth as it overtakes the slower moving planets -

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

The analogy of cars on a traffic roundabout is appropriate in that the
slower forward motion of cars in an outer lane would appear to fall
behind to an observer in a car going faster in an inner lane.Copernicus
seperated the Earth's axial rotation from its orbital motion and used
the orbital motion of the Earth to explain why the outer planets Mars
,Jupiter and Saturn appeared to move the way they do.Anyone here can
affirm that planetary heliocentric motion is seen directly from Earth.

Adults should have absolutely no problem discerning the reasoning with
the time lapse footage of Saturn and Jupiter now availible,they also
should have no problem identifying the false Newtonian mutation -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct,..." NEWTON

Michael or any other Christian should be able to tell you that
planetary motions around the Sun are seen directly from Earth and
hopefully the reasons why the empirical approach is false at best and
fraud at worst.

























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