Re: The Symbolism of the Crown


"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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> >Perhaps the people who make those changes have considered that that kind
of
> >change might trigger a big upsurge in CAIN/Sutton. The causal link to
> >previous deaths is extremely dubious.

> From Dublin perhaps it seems that way. The perception is a little
> different to those who grew up a little closer to Paisley's rants.

> Pick a team, you can't have it both ways. either the link is dubious,
> or amending a sectarian ban would lead to a rise in sectarian
> killings.

Judging by experience of loyalist behaviour over the last hundred years, I
can't think of a single occasion when amending the position of Church or
State resulted in them calming down and behaving better. There are countless
examples of quite moderate changes causing the start of a killing spree. If
anyone has a counter-example I'd be interested to hear about it.

That isn't an argument for not standing up to loyalism over substantive
issues. It's a strong argument for not starting trouble over something
trivial.

> Speaking of which, does the Treason Felony Act (1848) apply in
> Northern Ireland?

That doesn't lie in my area of expertise.

> >If Irish Catholics regard it as an important issue, then they have
political
> >representation which they can use to push for a change. They seem to be
> >rather more concerned with other issues at present.

> From my perspective, they seem concerned with equal treatment. Mind
> you, the preferred option is often removal of the monarchy, rather
> than removal of bars on who can be monarch.

Exactly. And that isn't going to happen, because NI is still part of the UK,
and the K will apply until England decides against it. Scotland and Wales
will leave the Union before they remove the monarchy.


> >> >Would you deny the widow her simple seat in the Dáil?

> >> That's a matter for the voters.

> >And the fact that the Irish voters doff their caps to Squire Haughey's
son
> >is a bit depressing, isn't it? One of the unfortunate side-effects of
> >democracy is that people can decide not to make use of it.

> Haughey's scion got into the Dáil because people exercised their right
> to vote, not because they decided not to.

The right not to vote is a democratic right.


J/

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