Re: IRA disarmament is NOT ENOUGH


"Beacon" <beacon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > There is no such thing as half a couple. Either there is a couple or
> > > there isnt.

> > That's simply not so.

> It is! You have the law on it. Saying it isnt so wont change that!

The law has nothing to say about whether people are or are not part of a
couple. Sometimes people don't know themselves. The law knows whether people
are married or not.

> >When people aren't married, their circumstances can
> > change from hour to hour.

> Note the ARENT MARRIED bit? And note the ONLY MARRIED couples can adopt
law?

Yes, I am aware that only married couples or individuals can adopt. I'm
stating that those individuals may or may not be half a couple.

> >What if a couple each have their own houses, and
> > stay together two nights a week? Would one of those people be unable to
> > adopt?

> Yes THEY would not be eligible. Individuals can only adopt under the
limited
> conditions I already gave you. Couples can only adopt if married. Even
then
> it is unlikely the ludicrous idea you propose that such a "couple" would
> approach the adoption board. If they did so they would be refused.

If they approached as a couple they would be refused, of course. Only a
married couple can adopt. That doesn't mean that an individual attempting to
adopt may not have any kind of relationship.

> > > Individuals can not adopt except under certain circumstances. Only
> > > MARRIED couples can adopt!

> > > Now if you dont like that law then go and change it but it is the law.
> > They
> > > have a policy of having a family. Not the husband only adopting or the
> > wife
> > > only adopting. theat policy is bound by law. And if you dont
understand
> > why
> > > I suggest you dont understand families.

> > We've already shown that married couples have to adopt as a couple or
not
> > at
> > all. I'm stating that since an unmarried couple - be they man and woman,
> > or
> > two men, or two women, or a man, two women and a giraffe - has no
> > particular
> > legal status, it would be difficult to prevent one of them from adopting
> > in principle.

> Unmarried couples can NOT adopt! Period!

Yes, we've both said that. I'm saying that there is nothing to stop half an
unmarried couple from adopting. There might be other restrictions which
apply. Certainly single person adoptions are rare.

Say Mr and Mrs X die suddenly. The only living relative is Ms. Y, who has
had a long relationship with Bobby X, the only son. Would Ms. Y be a
suitable candidate to adopt the boy? Probably.

Ms. Y has a long term boyfriend (or girlfriend) who lives twenty miles away
and occasionally stays overnight. Would such a relationship prevent the
adoption from taking place? Suppose he(she) is staying over for a month? Or
has just moved in?

It will be Ms. Y who adopts the child. Will she be part of a couple? Depends
what you mean. What will the relationship of Bobby be to his new mummy's
special friend? Who knows?

The idea that Ms. Y would have to give an undertaking that she is not and
never will be in any kind of relationship seems rather unlikely.

> > There might be some rule that having a sexual relationship outside
> > marriage
> > makes someone an unsuitable parent, but I haven't heard of such a thing
> > being official policy.

> I have had enough of this. Go and read the law on it. You have the
> reference. Go and take a case for criminal members of a couple, or
> adulterers or bigomists or psychopathic mass child killers posing as part
of
> a stable couple or whatever.

> I still suspect you do not have children and have very little experience
> with them. I wouldn't think I would recommend you to sit on the adoption
> Board bt you can always write to them with your concerns.

I've told you once - don't make a fool of yourself. You wouldn't speak to
people face to face like that, so don't do it on Usenet. There is no call in
this discussion to be gratuitously offensive. I won't ask again.

J/

SOTW: "I Don't Think I'm Gonna Like It" - Four Bitchin' Babes






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