Re: Nuclear Iran: A matter of time

In article <0i73r19ug8fd67cp7guo8cs0bom0iapent@xxxxxxx>, Xanence@xxxxxx ()
wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:06:13 -0500, "Faris Jawad"
> <ana_faris_bila_jawad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >Nuclear Iran: A matter of time
> >
> >It is not a matter of if Iran will have the bomb - it is a matter of when.
> >With that in mind, the US needs to re-examine its current policy towards
> >Iran.
>
> No, Iran will not have the bomb. The USA will invade, conquer and
> occupy Iran before that ever happens.
>
> Iran knows this and they also know they will never own a nuke.
>
> Everything that says otherwise is nothing but saber rattling.

You are such a stupid little boy.

http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=938

Mr Galloway's speech to the House of Commons 7 July 2005

Mr. Galloway: The exchanges that we have just heard are further evidence of my
point that in this bubble people just do not get it. If I cannot touch the
heart of the hon. Member for Hemel Hempstead with what happened to the people
in Falluja, I shall move on to firmer ground.

Does the House not believe that hatred and bitterness have been engendered by
the invasion and occupation of Iraq, by the daily destruction of Palestinian
homes, by the construction of the great apartheid wall in Palestine and by the
occupation of Afghanistan? Does it understand that the bitterness and enmity
generated by those great events feed the terrorism of bin Laden and the other
Islamists? Is that such a controversial point? Is it not obvious? When I was on
the Labour Benches and spoke in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I said that I
despise Osama bin Laden. The difference is that I have always despised him. I
did so when the Government, in this very House, gave him guns, money and
encouragement, and set him to war in Afghanistan. I said that if they handled
that event in the wrong way, they would create 10,000 bin Ladens. Does anyone
doubt that 10,000 bin Ladens at least have been created by the events of the
past two and a half years? If they do, they have their head in the sand.

There are more people in the world today who hate us more intently than they
did before as a result of the actions that we have taken. Does this House
understand that the pictures from Abu Ghraib prison have inflamed and deepened
that sense of hatred around the world and made our position more dangerous? Do
Members of this House not understand that Guantanamo Bay has contributed to the
sense of bitterness and hatred against us around the world? Does nobody in this
House understand that when Palestinians' houses are knocked down, their olive
trees cut down and their children shot by Israeli marksmen, an army of people
who want to harm us is created? To say that is not to hope that they succeed?I
started by making clear, I hope, my utter rejection and condemnation of the
events in London this morning.

It does not matter whether Britain replaces the Trident submarine system with
another. The threat now, as the hon. Member for Vale of Glamorgan (John Smith)
made clear, is not the intercontinental ballistic missiles of other countries
but the asymmetrical threat of angry people who hate us and who are ready to
exchange their lives for several of ours, or hundreds of ours, or thousands of
ours, if they can do so. Is that really so hard to grasp?

Given that one cannot defend oneself against every angry man among the enragés
of the earth, it follows that the only thing we can do is address what the
Secretary of State called the causal circumstances that lie behind these
events. That means trying to reduce the hatred in the world and trying to deal
with the political crises out of which these events have flowed. If, instead of
doing that, we remain in this consensual bubble in which we have placed
ourselves, we will go on making the same mistakes over and over again. We will
go on with Guantanamo Bay. We will go on as we are doing, making Abu Ghraib not
smaller as we were told would happen after the photographs were published, but
bigger. We will go on with occupation and war as the principal instruments of
our foreign and defence policy. If we do that, some people will get through and
hurt us as they have hurt us here today, and if we still do not learn the
lesson, that dismal, melancholic cycle will continue.
It ought to be common sense that people start from the standpoint that the only
thing that matters is whether what we plan to do will make things better or
worse. I listened to the Secretary of State lay out the success story of
Afghanistan and Iraq, and his account bore no relationship to the truth or
reality. He talked about Afghanistan as a success story and about the President
of Afghanistan, when everyone knows that Karzai is the president of the
congestion charge area of downtown Kabul and no more. He talked about an Afghan
army?it is a fantasy. Afghanistan is a patchwork quilt of warlordism, where the
warlords' armies dwarf the so-called Afghan national army. He talked about
drugs and narcotics: before we invaded the country those lunatics of the
Taliban were reducing heroin production in Afghanistan, but the people whom we
have put into power there have increased production by 800 per cent. Our armed
forces are in Afghanistan and our taxes are being used to support a political
structure that is producing 90 per cent. of the junk that ends up in the veins
of our young people in Glasgow, east London and many other places in the world.

The Secretary of State talked about Iraq?as if Iraq were any kind of success
story. I could not believe my ears as he described, in that complacent, orotund
manner, progress over 12 months, 18 months or two years. Iraq is going
backwards, not forwards. It is impossible for the Secretary of State to say we
shall withdraw in any given time frame, because Iraq is getting worse, not
better. There are more people being killed in Iraq now than there were before.
More military operations are being conducted by the Iraqi resistance than
before. Last Saturday alone, 175 military operations were mounted by the Iraqi
resistance on one day.

American soldiers are dying in such numbers that there is now more appreciation
of the mistake of the war in Iraq over the pond in the United States than there
appears to be here in the British House of Commons. The kind of debate that we
have had today would not happen in the US Congress, because US politicians
understand the scale of this disaster far better than the politicians in this
Chamber appear even to have begun to do.

One thousand, eight hundred American boys, conscripted by poverty, unemployment
and poor opportunities, have lost their lives as a result of the pack of lies
that was the case for the invasion of Iraq, and 17,000 American boys have been
wounded. Ten per cent. of them are amputees, who will have to go around with no
legs for the rest of their lives as a result of the pack of lies on which we
went to war in Iraq.
Eighty-nine of our own boys, including the son of Rose Gentle from Glasgow,
19-year-old Gordon, were sent to die in Iraq on a pack of lies. The Prime
Minister will not even meet Gordon's mother. He will not meet the mother of a
19-year-old boy who was sent to die in Iraq. Last Monday, I was on a television
programme and a call came through from the mother of a 17-year-old soldier who
was leaving for Iraq the following Monday. He is 17 years old, and he is being
sent to Iraq, into that quagmire. The 19-year-old Gordon Gentle is dead.
Eighty-eight other young men from this country are dead as a result of this,
yet our Ministers roll out their jokes and their cod philosophy here today.
They have absolutely no grasp of the gravity of the situation, or of how
unpopular their stand has become outside these walls. They have learned nothing
from the fact that they lost a million votes as a result of what they did in
Iraq, or from the fact that millions in Britain marched against them and begged
them not to do this.

The hon. Member for North Durham (Mr. Jones), in an otherwise fine speech,
described today's events as "unpredictable". They were not remotely
unpredictable. Our own security services predicted them and warned the
Government that if we did this we would be at greater risk from terrorist
attacks such as the one that we have suffered this morning.

http://www.respectcoalition.org/?ite=938

And idiots like you running around newsgroups simply no grasp of the gravity of
the situation either.



Alan

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Can't you see we're still here,
Singing loud; Singing clear,
We shall not go under,
We're still here."

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