Re: moslem shoe bomb terrorist sentenced

Patrick Dolan <NoBrits@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:qpa9m1d0dbanicv7vc3i98a7gp762215a7@xxxxxxx:

> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:59:20 GMT, Chip Anderson
> <b_anders*NOSPAM*@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Patrick Dolan <NoBrits@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>news:7328m11qokn6mgjooe0ihfhgp9cfbshrrn@xxxxxxx:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:18:10 GMT, Chip Anderson
>>> <b_anders*NOSPAM*@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Patrick Dolan <NoBrits@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>>>news:lfb5m1hkej2d2gqf5t95h0coj3bdkmeug1@xxxxxxx:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:09:00 GMT, Chip Anderson
>>>>> <b_anders*NOSPAM*@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Norman Leonski" <norman_leonski@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>>>>>news:1130429429.621658.190140@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chip Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Patrick Dolan <NoBrits@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v191m15asf84n8n62kj6i9srilcdterrl1@xxxxxxx:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:20:41 GMT, Chip Anderson
>>>>>>>> > <b_anders*NOSPAM*@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>Their rights are looked after by government no matter what
>>>>>>>> >>wage they are earning. In the words of Walter Williams, "The
>>>>>>>> >>idea that minimum wage legislation is an anti-poverty tool is
>>>>>>>> >>simply sheer nonsense."
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > How would the government prevent some *** sweat shop from
>>>>>>>> > paying 50 cents and hour to those desperate enough to take
>>>>>>>> > it, if the employer could legally offer that wage?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would the government want to prevent that? Simply because
>>>>>>>> you label them "assholes"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will always be people who have no consideration for the
>>>>>>> suffering of others. I'm talking about someone who will hire a
>>>>>>> person who is desperate for money and then work them 16 hours a
>>>>>>> day so that they can afford to meet the minimum requirements of
>>>>>>> a living
>>>>standard,
>>>>>>> ie: roof, food and sanitation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Those desperate folk can always look for other work. It's not
>>>>>>slavery and they are not tied to any particular employer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If this type of employer is allowed to hire "slaves" at this
>>>>>>> type of wage, then our country will back up into the middle
>>>>>>> ages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Once again, it's not slavery and your dire predictions are without
>>>>merit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where do your feelings on this matter derive from? Have you had
>>>>>>> some life events that have made you feel this way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I arrive at my conclusions not through "feelings" but through
>>>>>>reason. Try it sometime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A certain minimum wage is not a right.
>>>>>
>>>>> LET THEM EAT CAKE!
>>>>>
>>>>> The minimum wage is in place to prevent the abuse of the working
>>>>> class. You obviously disagree. However, the laws that created the
>>>>> minimum wage are in place and will always be enforced to protect
>>>>> the people they were enacted for. If those laws were not correct,
>>>>> they would have been challenged and repealed. They haven't been.
>>>>
>>>>Of couse they haven't. Folks like youself are fooled everytime into
>>>>voting for demagogues who support such things as the minimum wage.
>>>>After all, it's "for the children" or "for the working man" or some
>>>>other such nonsense designed to evoke feelings rather than reason.
>>>
>>> You are actually the first person I've spoken to that doesn't think
>>> that having a legal minimum wage is a good thing.
>>>
>>> I'm interested in learning why you think the way you do about this.
>>>
>>> Would you explain it to me?
>>
>>I'll be more than happy to. Here, I'll let Matthew B. Kibbe speak for
>>me as his narration reflects my thinking on the matter.
>>
>>"The simple truth about the issue is that any minimum-wage rate that
>>is forced onto the market will have only negative effects on the
>>distribution of economic justice. Minimum-wage legislation, by its
>>very nature, benefits some at the expense of the least experienced,
>>least productive, and poorest workers."
>>
>>Here is a link to the reasoning:
>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa106.html>
>
> The information that I've discovered so far states clearly that an
> overwhelming amount of support exists in the United States in favor of
> a minimum wage. Most of the numbers stand at near 80% in favor. This
> opinion has held true for as long as the minimum wage has existed.

Sure but opinion polls don't amount to facts.

> In your comments above, you infer that 82% of the voting populace of
> the United States are fools. I would suggest that you wrong.

I would suggest that they are lacking in some critical information.

> I strongly disagree with the person you quote above. I believe his
> statements to be far too general and lacking in real evidence.

OK

> The facts are that the minimum wage indeed protects the people most
> likely to be abused by those who would take advantage of people who
> are the most vulnerable.

You have your facts mixed up.

> This is reality. You may toss around all of the theoretical economic
> papers that exist, but you won't prove that the minimum wage has
> negatively effected our nations economy or hurt the people that it is
> in place to protect. Quite the opposite.

Perhaps you should catch up on your reading and you may change your mind.
Try Walter Williams, he's easy enough. Of course, facts won't sway some
if they feel strongly enough.

> You and I could debate this issue forever and find no solution. The
> fact remains that in our nation of free voters, more than 80% of those
> voters agree with me. They have done so over a period of time that is
> long enough to have been tested in the market place.
>
> The minimum wage has been tested and has passed with high grades.
>
> I'm NOT saying that this is the best way to EVER do what it has
> accomplished, but it is the best way that has been tried thus far.

I hold that your trial by vote is no test at all. At least not in any
way that proves the efficacy of a minimum wage in the sense you mean.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.


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Chip

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