Re: Proof? - 2

On Sep 20, 8:03 pm, donie <donien...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 20, 1:57 pm, sam1...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:



For the case of al qurtubi , until now you have
not done your homework of getting the proper
translation. I am still ok as I can still
challenge your claim. The tests to your claim :
If the prophet was eyeing zinab :
1. Why did he marry her to zayd instead of
   himself?
2. Why prohibit the divorce instead of
   facilitating it?
3. Why only after she was married he found her
   beautiful? They were cousins and grew up
   together.

SAM SUPER ARGUE has exhibiting his exact caliber:

1) TRANSALATION. I have submitted one, but you label that devilish
(albeit you discussed based on that devilish translation) and you have
the audacity to repeatedly ask me to find alternative translation. You
are acting as if I have to defend your Great Prophet of his lewdness,
of his indecency, of his immorality, of his cruelty and of his deceit.
No Sam, If you still have some brain cells not contaminated by this
cult you have following like a zombie, you would have present your
alternative translation once you consider the existing one is bad.


I asked you to get the proper translation. That
also means that you need to be honest with your
argument. If you do not want to do it , its ok
by me as I can still refute you. Until now you
cannot even produce any proof or evidence to back
your claim. Too bad ... next time be honest , do
not follow the teachings of the prophet for satan
'rasul paulus' aka paul aka saul (the bounty
hunter).

2) YOUR 3 QUESTIONS: When I 'speculate'  (yet based on your scriptures
and history) to answer those, you quick to delve on a futility of the
word speculation. Why don't you try once and for all to discuss the
points you want to raise by posing those questions? Perhaps your own
discussion will prove more acceptable than those 2 quranic plus 2
tafseer phrases.


The way I see it is that you are afraid to even submit
your proof or evidence to the test. Why are you so
afraid? Simple , your claims have been based on a
wild , spurious and speculative conspiracy involving
your 2 favourite phrases of which you have had the
pleasure of refuting yourself. Again too bad for you.
You have been very uncomfortable when questions are
posted challenging your claims. Those are logical
questions. If your claims were not logical , too bad
for you. Your claim goes up in smoke. I have invited
you to challenge the verses and the tafseer , you
backed down and ran away. Blame yourself not me.

I have known that logical fallacy trait of yours right from the
beginning, Sam. But I have continued to entertain you on 3 accounts:
1) to exercise my patience; 2) to learn more how a cultist tends to
refute and most important of all 3) an opportunity to expose your so
called GREAT PROPHET naked. In a way I facilitate questioning your
prophet for those of you that know it's taboo for you to do it
yourself, and as eye opening for the gullible moslems. Any muslimS who
follow this discussion will be bugged: "IF MUHAMMAT IS REALLY A GREAT
PROPHET, WHY WOULD SAM-SUPER-ARGUE COULD NOT ESTABLISH THE QUALITY?"


What have you established? Lets look at the facts :
1. You ran out of patience
2. You argument of islam being a cult came back harder
at you in which you have refused to answer any
questions.
3. Until now you have not even managed to touch Prophet
Muhammad (saw) with your arguments. In review :
- Your argument of conspiracy theory with your
2 favourite phrase broke down as you refuted,
smoked and kapowed your own arguments.
- When we delve into facts , we find that for the
case of bani quraiza , the prophet had lawful
justification as bani quraiza broke the treaty
with malice aforethought. Retributive justice
was meted in accordance to the judeo christian
laws (deut20:16). The muslims exercised mercy
against the harsh laws. Blame it on your bible ,
holy ghost , son , father.
- You suddenly backed down on the adoption issue.
Until now you have refused to pinpoint where in
verse33:4-5 that you claimed of the prohibition
of adoption.

In short , you came out short in all aspects in addition
to being caught lying in numerous occasion.

You know what is your problem. Your arguments have been
taken straight from the articles of sites like answering
islam and faith freedom. When refuted and when you need
to go to the next level of facts , you break down. That
was where you continuously ran away , came back ,harp on
the same issues and pretended nothing happened.

Like I said it has been a stroll in the park for me. I
am still waiting for your data that you threatened to
expose from the Quran , hasith and early islamic sources
for the case of bani quraiza. So far what you have come
up was a couple of lines saying this and that and ended
with genocide without any data or evidencs. You have made
a mockery of your self. So what is it ..... data talks
and bull*** walks .....

Necessarily I will have to trap you in your own snare: DATA TALKS,
BULL*** WALK.

He he he , what trap have you got sprung? You have got
nothing , zero ,zilch , nil , nada.

Lets see how brave you are. My question that you have
always avoided :

Comparing the conflicting verses of matt7:21-23 and
1cor15:13-14 which verse is right and which is wrong?
Both cannot be right as they are in conflict with
each other.

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1cor15:13-14
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=5118001
[13] But if there be no resurrection of the dead,
then is Christ not risen:
[14] And if Christ be not risen, then is our
preaching vain, and your faith is also
vain.

This is the central pillar of christianity , that
is jesus came , died for your sins & was resurrected
hence he is god. His death and resurrection washed
you from the 'original sin' as preached by paul.

However if we refer to mat7:21-23
ref : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4380943
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but
he that doeth the will of my Father which is
in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
have we not prophesied in thy name? and in
thy name have cast out devils? and in thy
name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work
iniquity.

This is jesus own words , he stressed for the
people to do the will of the father in heaven
(ie. the commands of Allah). Anybody who does
anything in his name (ie.name of jesus) will
not be even be acknowledged by jesus after the
final hour.
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sam1528
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