Re: Proof?

On Aug 26, 7:23 pm, sam1...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:33 am, donie <donien...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Why don't you dare discussing the quality of your prophet Sam? Can you
quote which part of Ibn Ishaq that discuss why would strong quraish
wanted to pay bribe the weak, pre Yatrib muhammmat?  You need to
provide that info to back up you statement. See, after becoming a
strong ruler Muhammat gladly received Egypt governor Al Moqauqa's
bribery in the forms of two sister girls. Muhammat took to become his
wife the fairer and beautiful one, Marry the Copt, and the sister as
slave.

I have got no problems discussing about Prophet
Muhammad (saw). Aren't we been doing it for the past
week or so? You talked about zainab , bani quraiza
etc. Isn't that discussing about Prophet Muhammad
(saw)? I will be using the values from your bible as
a baseline of reference because it is your book and
it reflects your christian values as you are a christian.

Now you have scooted off from discussing about
zainab. I take it that you have conceded of this point.
Lets move on then. Now you are moving to the issue
of the prophet's marriage to 'mary the copt'. I did
post a link in my post of aug 10 , 10.41pm on the
wives of the prophet.

Waah , you are really one sneaky bugger. Now you
are claiming that Al-Muqawqis tried to bribe the
prophet with the 2 ladies as Prophet Muhammad
(saw) had grown stronger in influence. Notice how
your claim becomes absurd as we delve into the facts.
The prophet made the calling of islam to Al-Muqawqis
and in return to strengthen the political ties , those 2
ladies were given to the prophet. The prophet married
mary and gave the other to to be married to one of
his sahabah. If he was a lecher , he would have had
both of them. Again you have been refuted.

- ' ....By accepting Mariyah, the Copt from Egypt,
    as his wife, he formed a political alliance with
    a king of great magnitude....'
    Source: Islam In Focus by Hammudah Abdalati
    p. 177-178

ref :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqawqis
excerpt : '....  Al-Muqawqis ordered that the letter
                should be placed in an ivory casket, to
                be kept safely in the government treasury,
                and he sent the following reply:
                From Muqawqis
                I read your letter and understood what
                you have written. I know that the coming
                of a Prophet is still due. But I thought, he
                would be born in Syria – I have treated
                your messenger with respect and honor.
                I am sending two maids for you as presents.
                These maids belong to a very respectable
                family amongst us. In addition I send for
                you clothes and a Duldul (steed) for riding.
                May God bestow security on you....'

The documented proof (muqawis's letter) is still
available in turkey. Was bribery ever mentioned?
I reiterate , be a bit more honest the next time.
How come you christians cannot be honest in
your arguments?

By the way , how do you ascertain that mary was
the prettier one? Were you there to confirm that
mary was the prettier one? Did the other sister
had half nose and a mouth?

Claiming of subjective issues that you cannot
even confirm is arguing via conjecture. You fit
very well into that.

In ibn ishaq's book you will find that Prophet
Muhammad (saw) refused the bribe to become king.
That means he refused accessibility to power , wealth
and women. I posted the link , you were not satisfied.

At the end of his career, all his quality was centered on power,
wealth and women, contradicting your conjecture that the persecuting
quraish attempted to bribe him.

You will have a hard time proving such. Of course
he had power but you need to proof that the prophet
abused his power. Women , you already know of his
marriages and the prophet abide by the prohibition
of surah 33:52 of marrying any further. Wealth , when
the prophet died , he only left behind a piece of land
and his donkey.

You need to come out of your fantasy world and smell
the coffee.

sam1528


You name it gift, fine. You call it to cement the bond, okay. My
point here is to show you the real quality of your prophet in the
department of womanizing. Of the two girl-gift, he took a liking at
Mariah. She became his wife, while the less fairer sister, Serena
remained slave. This is a clear indication of flesh-driven habit of
the prophet you revere so much, which is also confirmed by Jibril with
that statement, " EVEN IF THEIR BEAUTY ATTRACT THEE". While he ask you
to remain pious and holy, he didn't need to do that. When he saw one,
he wanted her, he got her. He could manage to drive all the parties
concerned to say amen to his desire, including Jibril his existing
wives and you, questions, such as those from Aisya, not entertained.

I am not just talking about Christian value, but universal (out of
muslim world) standard would question somebody who say: " I received
revelation while in trance last night, that I could marry anybody I
want except my mother, my sisters. I am allowed concubines, my adpoted
son's newly divorcee Zainab etc" When he was in need of more soldiers
to war he would immediately receive allah/qoran/jibril sanction for
his followers to volunteer, after all the sanction append reward in
the forms of booties including fleshly and heavenly sexual pleasures.
When he was defeated in a war, he immediately received and recited
jibril's consolation, when he took captive of Quraiza tribe and
slaughtered about 700 males, he received and recited allah's
congratualtion.

I repeat: when you say Muhammat was foretold in bible for the sake of
strengthening your faith, fine with me. But when you wave that to my
face, no thanks. He did not have any spiritual prophet quality. For
one, you don't even dare investigating his wickedness.
.

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