Re: Economic strategy for national renaissance -- By Subramanian Swamy


visualseeplus@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> dude, you obviously don't know much about history.

And you do?

>
> Japan received a cash infusion from the US throughout the Korean war.
> Western Europe received the Marshall plan post WWII.

So what? No amount of aid would help a nation unless it has a dynamic
system. Many third world and socialist countries have received huge
aids over years and yet have gotten no where.

>
> USSR received zero. They did however lose 26 million people.

Although USSR lost many people, it was a victorious ally, its political
institutions intact and triumphant. Japan and Germeny were defeated
nations besides losing millions of people. Their cities, infrastructure
and political institutions laid in ruins. There was no USSR before
world war - it was formed after. Russia, instead of building its own
economy after the war, started building a communist empire by exporting
its ideology and annexing all its neighbours - We didn't see in Russia
a nation starving for aid. Economics was not its priority, expansion of
its anti-progress ideology and empire remained its priority till USSR
died.

>
> Please do the needful and pick up a history book.

I don't need history book re-written by some commie pinko. i have lived
thru much of this history.

>
> Second, there are capitalist countries out there which are very poor
> like those in Central America and there are rich capitalist countries
> in Western europe.

To my knowledge, most latin american nations are socialist and paranoid
of capitalism as it is normally associated with imperialist USA. Most
of them are ruled by corrupt dictators, armed despots or corrupt
socialists. In central America, church is also very powerful and its
role has been to keep the latinos subjugated to whites and not
challenge the supermacy of white nations - so everybody have acquired a
vested interest in keeping the Latin America poor, corrupt, despotic.


They are newly converted capitalist nations which
> are now owned by rich western countries (i.e. Indonesia in big debt to
> the OECD controlled IMF).

Just because they carry heavy debt from IMF/WB does not mean they have
lost sovereignty to western nations. While it is true that debt erodes
the political independence, these nations are far from becoming
colonies. They should take the clue from japan and germany who made
progress using outside aid without losing sovereignty even when
literally everything including their constitutions were dictated by
USA.

And there are capitalist nations which have
> had the good fortune of preserving their soverignty and being wealthy
> (e.g. Singapore).
>
> The issue is a little bit more complex than capitalism good, everything
> else bad.

So far, capitalism has proven to be the most dynamic economic model,
rest have proven to be failures. However, capitalism alone does not
ensure progress, it is merely a one of many key elements. Democracy,
rule of law, protection of property rights, respect for merit and
sucess, dynamic culture and can-do spirit of people are essential
elements that make capitalism produce results in some cases and while
lack of them produce corrupt crony capitalism in other cases.

>But I leave you to learn things over time.

I keep open mind and learn all the time. It is communists who have
problem with learning as they have closed minds and refuse to give up
their dogmas even on the face of stark failures - they blame it on
wrong interp[ertation of history instead, and most of them end up
spending good deal of careers re-writing history, rather than learning
from it.

.

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