Re: Let's analyze, who is xxxxxxxxxxxxx in this cable leak.

dr fajkhaum,

koj hais yog kawg li lawm, tus tua hmoob cov leaders tuag tag ces yog
tus dev caum nqaij ntawv xwb los mas. nws muab hmoob tua seb nws puas
tau position xwb. nws tsis yog los hlub hmoob coj hmoob tab sis yog ua
rau nws tus kheej nkaus xwb. kuv twb hais nej tias tus neeg no mus
nplog teb pkh tuag, mus nplog teb yang teng tua, mus nplog teb vp raug
ntes, mus nplog pkm tuag. zoo li no ces thiaj li tau xab gold medal
los mas.

amen


On May 4, 2:31 pm, Taumdub <taum...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 4, 10:38 am, cwjmem <cwj...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

HL,

Kuv yeej tau totaub hais tias Hmoob tam sim no nws muaj 3 pab nawb.

1. yog cov xav los cawm Hmoob uas tseem raug blog liab quab yuam, caij
tsuj yam tsis raws kev raws cai. Pab neeg neeg no yog pab ua NROG blog
liab sib cav sib ceg. Cov ua nrog YONG txuas zaus, muab cai, xov xwm
tso tawm rau hauv no.  Cov neeg ntawm lawv tsis xav los ua nom ua tswv
rau blog liab, tab sis xav kom blog liab muab lub VAJ HUAM sawv sib
luag rau Hmoob (justice for Hmong).

2. Pab tseem xav ua nom, namely Yang Dao, thiab lwm tus ua tau mus
taug xaiv rau blog liab raws li Wikileaks, muab Hmoob cov tub txawm
ntxhais kawm tiav los rau blog liab puas pub ib lub position rau nws
ua ntej nws tuag. Ntxiv mus, yog cov neeg laus li 40 + rov saum ua sib
yuav thaum tseem hluas hluas, ua nkauj ua nraug tis txaus, mus txog
rau blog teb, tham tau cov hluas nkauj Hmoob yau, es lub siab lub
ntsws laim txais rau sab tim.  Cov neeg no, tsis yog pab yuav los cawm
Hmoob (seek justice for our own kind), tab sis rau nws tus kheej
(benefit for themvelves).  Yog muaj opportunity, yuav muab Hmoob muag
rau tus Yeeb ncuab, li tswm sim rau hauv Wikileaks, kom blog liab tso
kev rau nws mus tau rau lostsuas. Cov neeg no, muaj poj niam tub ki
zoo lo yeej tsis quav ntsej li, tsuav nws tau ua raws li nws kev ywj
siab xwb (absolutely no moral oblication for his loved ones).  Cov
neeg no, txhua txhuas tsev neeg puav leej muaj nawb.

3. Cov siv opportunty los dag noj dab haus, dej hlob zoo dov cav xwb.
Pab neeg no yuav los NTXIAS pej xeem, sau nyiaj no, tab sis tis ua dab
tsi rau Hmoob li.

Qhov koj defend WIKILEAK no yog WRONG DIRECTION lawm nawb.  Yog ib tug
neeg zoo yuav los cawm Hmoob, yog nws pom tau hais tais Hmoob ua yuav
puas tsuaj rau Hmoob, nws yuav tsum los CHEEJ hmoob xwb, tsis txhob
mus TAUG XAIV li qub li no rau cov nomtswv, kom los NTES li NTSES GVP
lawv 12 tug no. GVP lawv cov case no twb "PROVED" tau hais tias tus
neeg no dab xwb, tsis muaj tseeb, es FEDERAL JUDGE thiaj li muaj LAWB
kiag pov tseg lawm.  Qhia tau hais tias tus neeg uas koj hais XXXXX no
yog tus los tsim teeb meem, tso taw tuam ntuj.  Yof kuv yog 12 tug
neeg no tsev neeg, kuv yuav HU NTUJ, hlawv Xab hlawv ntawv rau TSWV
NTUJ kom tuag mus, los yog kuv yuav mus rau NRAM GVP lub NTXA es nqa
xab ntawv mus HLAWV rau yawg GVP kom nws "PURSUE" case no mus rau sab
YEEB CEEB teb.

Finally, cov neeg ua TSEEM XAV MUS RETIRE, los mus EXPLOIT menyuam
NTXHAIS Hmoob nyob rau los tsuas teb yeej yuav los  TAWM TSAM Hmoob,
tau xaiv rau blog kom tshuav lawv tau mus rau LOSTSUAS xwb.

Peb Hmoob twb txom nyem txaus nkaus lawm, yog leej twg muaj siab yuav
mus EXPLOIT menyuam ntxhais mos, why no be a SUGAR DADDY to young
girls other than our own kind, play all games that they want to, and
leave our Young girls out of pictures.  Our people are suffered
enough!!

Yog leej twg yuav los cawm Hmoob txob NTSHAI tuag, he or she may
compomise on the issue, but do not compomise on his or her PRINCIPLE
to bring justice for Hmong, and never to betray Hmong.

On May 4, 9:44 am, Hmong-Lao <Hmlao...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Cov phoojywg,
Kuv muab analyze li nram no es nej ho nrog kuv xav seb puas yog li
ntawd. Qhov twg tsis yog no nej ho tawm nej li tswvyim rau thiab.

Note: Kuv ntxiv (1), (2), etc... rau txhua txhua lo XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
kom peb paub hais tias peb hais txog lo twg.
1. (S) Summary: The politics of the Hmong communtiies in both Laos and
the United States are extremely complex. As a result, a conversation
with even a well educated Hmong (or Hmong-American) leader involves
exaggeration and guess work and often raises more questions than it
provides answers. Nevertheless, a recent conversation with Hmong-
American leader XXXXXXXXXXXX (1) raises several issues that may be worth
pursuing. XXXXXXXXXXXX (2) also asks for police/FBI protection before
agreeing to address a Hmong-American gathering in Fresno, California.
Since he may be in possesison of important, time-sensitive information
and seems to be willing to pass a positive message -- that Hmong-
American support for attempts to destabilize the Lao Government
violates U.S. laws -- the FBI may have interest in contacting him, and
the Department may have an interest in supporting the dissemination of
this message. XXXXXXXXXXXX (3) asks the Department to write letters
directly to Hmong groups in the United States to repeat this message.
Please see our action requests in paragraph 13.  End summary.

1. Thawj qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX no ces yeej referred rau tus Hmoob
leader uas tsab ntawv no hais txog lawm.
2. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 2 no os yeej yog tib tug neeg li qhov # 1
lawm.
3. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 3 no yuav tsis yog tus leader lawm.
Possible yog LPDR government lossis lwm yam lawm.

The Chao Fa ----------
2. (S) A/DCM met with noted Hmong-American leader XXXXXXXXXXXX (4)
(strictly protect) three times during the week of the arrest of Hmong-
American conspirators by the U.S. DOJ. XXXXXXXXXXXX (5), well known within
the Hmong-American community XXXXXXXXXXXX (6) in the United States
XXXXXXXXXXXX (7), asked that Embassy Bangkok pursue an investigation into
an investment in a company in Thailand that the Chao Fa group may be
using to set up a base of operations to help support its activities in
Laos.

4. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 4 no os yeej yog tib tug neeg li qhov # 1
lawm.
5. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 5 no mas tsis paub tseeb tias yog leej twg
lossis yog dabtsi lawm.
6. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 6 tsis yog npe neeg lawm.
7. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 7 tsis yog npe neeg lawm.

3. (S) We understand the Chao Fa to be a group, originally set up in
1917 or so, espousing a more "pure" Hmong tradition, and a tradition
more based on magic and spirits than that of the Neo Hom group led by
General Vang Pao. The Chao Fa and Neo Hom have led very separate
movements in opposition to the Government of Laos (GOL) over the
years. Thus we view with concern reports from XXXXXXXXXXXX (8) and
elsewhere that the Chao Fa and Neo Hom may have started cooperating
since the beginning of this year.

8. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 8 no tsis yog npe neeg lawm. Nws referred
rau ib qov chaw lossis ib lub tebchaws lawm.

4. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (9) reported a new sense of confidence on the part of
the Chao Fa since the Presidency of the "Unrepresented Nations and
Peoples Organization" (UNPO) accepted the Hmong Chao Fa Federated
State as a member during a UNPO meeting held at the European
Parliament in Brussels February 1-3. The "state" envisioned for the
Chao Fa appears to include 320,00 Hmong people living on approximately
50,000 square kilometers north of Vientiane -- all or parts of
Houaphan, Xieng Khouang, and Sayaboury Provinces and the city of Luang
Prabang. (Note: The political front of the Chao Fa is apparently the
World Hmong People's Congress (WHPC) headquartered in New York City..)

9. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 9 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob leader
lawm. Nws refered rau luag ib tug officer (a secret agent) lawm.

5. (S) According to XXXXXXXXXXXX (10), Chao Fa recruiters visited
California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan at the end of March and
in early April looking for volunteers and promising that, now that the
Hmong are recognized by UNPO, the USG will help them build a Hmong
Nation in Laos. Apparently as part of this new level of confidence,
earlier this year the Chao Fa invested in a Chinese company named
"Borisat Wang Jing" ("Wang Jing Company") located in Chiang Saen in
Chiang Rai Province in Thailand. The Chao Fa plan to use this company
as a base from which they can enter Laos and undertake activities.
XXXXXXXXXXXX (11) noted that the current Chao Fa leader is Pa Kao Moun, who
fled from Laos to Thailand after the change of government in Laos in
1975. Pa Kao Moun has remained in Thailand since 1975 and is now
roughly 60 years old. (Note: his name would indicate he is a close
relative of former Chao Fa leader Pa Kao Her who was assassinated in
late 2002.) XXXXXXXXXXXX (12) has heard that the Chao Fa leaders do not see
the recent arrests of General Vang Pao and his group to have any
implications for them or their future activities.

10. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 10 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Nws more likely referred rau ib tug LPDR officer
lawm.
11. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 11 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Tabsis paub tseeb hais tias nws referred rau tus
neeg # 10.
12. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 12 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Tabsis paub tseeb hais tias nws referred rau tus
neeg # 10.

Neo Hom (United Front) ---------------------
6. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (13) indicated that two leaders of General Vang Pao's
Neo Hom organization in Thailand are XXXXXXXXXXXX (14) and XXXXXXXXXXXX (15),
both of whom have homes (apparently in northern Thailand) that can be
used as bases of operation for the Neo Hom. In addition, XXXXXXXXXXXX (16)
identified a "Mr. Bird" in Chiangmai, Thailand, as having worked with
General Vang Pao for many years. Mr. Bird, whose mother is Thai and
father American, is head of a Hmong Chao Khao Foundation (Hmong
Mountain People Foundation) based in Chiangmai.

13. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 13 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob
leader lawm. Nws more likely refered rau ib tug LPDR officer lawm.
14. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 14 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob
leader lawm. Nws refered rau ib neeg ua haujlwm rau GVP lawm.
15. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 15 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob
leader tib yam. Nws refered rau ib neeg ua haujlwm rau GVP lawm ntxiv
thiab.
16. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 16 no tsis paub tseeb

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Coj phoojywg,

Leej twg yuav hais rau seem twg los yeej zoo. Tabsis qhov tseeb tshaj
plaws tamsim no ces yog qhov hais tias " Muaj ib pab neeg tes dub
thiab lo ntshav. ". Txawm yuav nrhiav REASONS los zais lub ntsej muag
npaum li cas  los yeej yuav zais tsi tau kiag li. Cia history thiab
pejxeem Hmoob mam ua tus txiav txim qhia tias yam pab neeg ntawd ua
puas yog los tsi yog no xwb.

Nyob rau section uas hais txog lub borixat Wang Ching nyob Xiang Saen,
Chiang Rai no, tus president ntawm lub koom haum yog Pa Kao Moua.
Nyob rau lub 9 hli ntuj xyoo 2009 Pa Kao Moua raug tua tuag.  Tib lub
sijhawm uas PKM raug tua tuag ntawd, muaj ib tug Hmoob Yaj thiab PKM
nyob uake. Tabsis thaum luag tuaj tua, luag tua tus Hmoob Moua xwb tsi
tua tus Hmoob Yaj. Tom qab PK tuag tas, tus Hmoob Yaj yog tus siv PK
lub xovtooj hu rau ub rau no.  Yuav tsi liam txim rau leej twg, tabsis
txaus xav nawb cov phoojywg. Dhau ntawd, tus Hmoob Yaj nrog rau 11
leeg tau los suam npe kaw PK txoj kev tuag los txog hniaj hnub no. Kav
tsij kaw tiag saib yuav kaw mus txog hnub twg.

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