Re: Leave Religion to the Individual
- From: MysticPoetess <jingsuet@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:32:36 -0800 (PST)
On Mar 9, 9:46 am, Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
#1 Sivyis, nws tswmsim thaum ntuj tsi teb raug los rau hmoob....yog li
ntawd, sivyis nyob ntev npaum li thaum pib muaj neeg nyob rau lub
ntiajteb no los lawm. (Shiyi was being practiced ever since mankind,
for the Hmong people--as it had came into the Hmong people in the
beginning of time. this concluded that shiyi was here ever since
evolution (mankind) in the belief of Hmong men).
#2 Buddha was here for only 2553 years, therefore just one
day....Buddhalism just decided to be born here on earth…for his way of
life, to help the poor and the sickness.
#3 now came along Jesus...where he was only here on earth for 2010
years. he is by far born here less than Buddha in 543 years.
Therefore, suddenly god just wanted to pop out a new son on earth once
again. If you are really trying to understand of this deduct
reasoning it would be pretty impractical and childish………….LOLz!
#4 Catholic was the primary belief of the starter of Christianity for
2010 years old. However, the products of Christian as Baptists,
Lutherans, Protestants, and many others were only here on earth after
1535 or in the 16th century. They finally did not like Catholic’s
preaching and indoctrinating—therefore, they decided to take a new
faith…if you would to ask me I would say it is very childish and
impractical… Again, Catholic believes in “Indulgences”—where you can
buy your own way to heaven—even you are not a church goers, until your
final day—just pay the church—that is if you are able to afford to pay
for your grand-grandparents; they would also rise from 1000 and 1000
of years to go to heaven—so long if you pay the church for their
“indulgence”. If this is not money graver, then what is really a
Now, let’s look at the years different between these 3 religions—you
would know exactly what is what; if you would to have far more than a
Born2beMhong....I give you an E for effort. This is supposed to be an
intellectual discussion. I understand your point though. Just a side
note, the Sakyamuni Buddha is the most significant buddha recognized
in Buddhism today. However, he was not the only buddha, and
Siddhartha Gautama was not the first reincarnate of the buddha.
Buddha means "awakened one" or "enlightened one." The Lotus Sutra
teaches that Buddha has existed many times before and has attained
Nirvana in previous lifetimes. He CHOOSES to return to earth to teach
about the dharma (the way) and the Noble Truths that will lead to
buddhahood. You are in the ballpark when you quote Siddhartha's
timeline in human history, however...remember that Siddhartha and
Buddha may not always be synonymous. In Buddhism, it is taught that
the body is only a vessel; it is the spirit that is eternal. So...we
don't really know when the Buddha first existed.
Your argument about Sivyis is flawed. If you want to talk about
evolution, then let's have a scientific discussion. You say that
Sivyis has existed since "ntuj tsim teb raug" meaning since the
beginning of time. You are arguing that Sivyis came into being since
the existence of the first modern man (homosapien.) The oldest known
remains of an anatomically modern human being was found in Ethiopia.
The skull is said to be 160,000 years old! Paleoanthropologists
(scientists who study the origin of homosapiens) deduct that the first
homosapien appeared on earth somewhere around 170,000-300,000 years
ago. The standing theory on human origin is that human life started
in Africa. I do not recall Hmong being one of the indigenous and
original tribes of Africa. In fact, Hmong do not appear in
"documented" history until hundreds of thousands of years later...by
the Yellow River. So, how could Sivyis have existed since the first
I agree with some of your points on Christianity. However, let's be
respectful of all traditions. If we want our arguments to have
credibility, we must present them in a respectful and intellectual way.
- Re: Leave Religion to the Individual
- From: Born2beMhong
- Re: Leave Religion to the Individual