Re: Obama Health Plan Bill
- From: sibtham2 <sibtham@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:01:42 -0700 (PDT)
Ah..This healthcare debate is not about healthcare, and it is sad that
people are incapable of exercising a litle thinking.
Problem solvers ask the right questions and come up with effective and
Do we need a healthcare? The answwer is yes. There is a legitimate
need to reform the healttcare but one must be done responsibly.
So what exactly were the problems? Well let's see:
Do the poors in the USA have access to healthcare? The answer is yes
unless one choose not to use it or simple one just too ignorant to use
Do the illegal aliens have access to healthcare? Yes but costly. They
put stress on the system and could collapse it.
Do jobless people have access to healthcare? Yes but unaffordable, so
the answer is no.
How many people need assistance? Well all agrees that around 40
millions people and the breakdown:
15+ millions illegal alien
5 millions people don't know that they can access to healthcare
5 millions young people decided that they don't need ( by choice)
5 millions people really need healtrhcare access
So now here is the BO $1.3 Trillions solution:
Let destroy the whole healthcare system and screw the 230 million
people who are satisfy with thier healtcare to satisfy the 15 millions
people and this must be done now and now or the sky will fall.
This is the kind of voodoo solution that came from the top. Don't you
see it people?
Reasonable solutions should:
1. Address the illegal alien issue
2. Educate the ignorant public about healthcare access
3. Give more options to the young guns
4. Create a small scale reform to address this legitimate need for the
15 millions people. <$200 Billion will do it.
Are they too stupid to do it? Obviously they are not. The issue here
was never healthcare but CONTROL.
The healtcare debate and public option, no public option, co-op bla
bla is just another camouflage.
So how do they control? Simple. They promise free healthcare to all.
No problem the riches will pay for it and add trillions to the
national debts. The problem is that even if the riches are taxed to
their heads there are still not enough money to cover 290 millions
people, and notice that we are just talking about a health package
worth 1/4 of what these clowns reserve for themselve in WDC. Then Who
will pay for it? Can anyone figure out? Let me know if no one can't
figure it out.
So be pprepared to give more to BO and if this debt is not enough wait
until the CAP and TRADE is in cession right after the healthcare bill.
Since they can't tax us any more they have to be creative and they are
excellent when it come to taxing. In addition they become smarter than
centuires of Kings and emperors who got their head chopped once a
while once the tax treshold pass 50%.
So they have to use snake oil sales tactic. This is how they do it:
Do you like the environment? or save the earth from global warming?
Obviously the answer is yes.
They want to ask you another question but since they already know the
answer, they just put it to the "don't ask don't tell" category.
(hint for the question: are you willing to pay $2700 to $3000 per
Since they got your approval, they go to the corporations and impose
rergualtions for any king of energy that will result to co2.
If you are a farmer and have 1000 cows and since the cows cause too
much c02 then you have to pay extra fee. If you are a car manufacturer
and consume electricity to run your plants then you must pay double
rate for electrical energy. So the whole industry will have to pay for
these excessive cost to the government. You see the government is not
taxing you. But wait a minute do you think that the cow farmer and
America corporation will give you a freebee? Of course not, they will
pass the cost to you and the estimate per family is $2700 to $3000 per
family. You might say come'on sitham don't be so tought on the
government they just try to save the earth. Well the irony is that
after they collect tax through the diguise of the environment are they
really going to save the world. If you live in California or texas,
you are just a few mile from Mexicain factories free of regulation!
More and more carbon emission will happen unless they decide to
control the world population by reducing it by 50% and return to 18
century life style. True, there is a legitimate way to address the
environmental issue but this was never the intention in the first
For those who has a litle bit of common sense they can see that BO
actions clearly lead this once pproperous nation to a third world
country like Zimbawee. I do not blame BO for what Bush has done to
destroy this country but BO has options to follow his own path yet he
seems to continue Bush policy. He will engage more wars, spend more
until the nation collapse. So much for the change.
At the end I don't blame him at all because I know that he is just a
manufactured product, a puppet at the command of a higher power and to
identify who is behind this higher power one must follow the trail on
money. Something is brewing in the background and hardship lie ahead
for all of us. SIbtham
On Sep 3, 8:36 am, hmong <zajl...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Nej sim xav saib! Muaj ib co lawv ho sau li no thiab es puas
yog licas tiag! Nej cov paub dlua ho qhi peb thiab seb peb
ho puas nrog support qhov no thiab?
There are links to the House web site at the end. It takes a long
time to load… it’s 1018 pages, but worth the wait! I encourage you to
read the bill. You won’t go far before your “no way; this cannot be
true” comments will become audible and those around you will ask,
“What are you reading!” I thought the excerpts were wild. Wait till
you read them in context!
Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill
becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan.
If that is not available, you will be required to take the government
Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! (no
Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and
benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals
Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits
for you. You will have no choice. None.
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with
free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Health-card.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to
all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community
organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules
to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Page 84: All private healthcare plans=2 0must participate in the
Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services;
translation: illegal aliens
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up
individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled:
you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. N o
"judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put
simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-
run public plan. No alternatives.
Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees
AND their families.
Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400,000.00 or more, who does
not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page
150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not
offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
Page 167: Any individual who doesn't have acceptable healthcare
(according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes
(Americans will pay for them).
Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy
will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as
tax." Yes, it really says that.
Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors
and the poor most affected."
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be
paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional
Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private
Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven
Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems
Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission
that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the
Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited from owning and investing in
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand
without government approval.
Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other
words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures:
Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage
Plans, HMOs, etc.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS
Page 379: More bureaucracy: Tele-health Advisory Committee (healthcare
Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior
Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills,
durable powers of attorney, etc. This will be mandatory and appears to
lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources,
guiding you in death.
Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life
treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate
treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER
for end-of-life plans; an ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services:
Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations:
Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy.
Government intervenes in your marriage.
Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining,
creating and rationing those services.
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