Re: tsis yog peb li, yog suav muaj rau peb xwb; rau thaub reason again

reason,

1. you say gvp only fight for money. yet, you say money is necessary.
so, how do expect a war to fight then? LOL!

point is, oh, sorry, fact is, GVP fought before the secret war. so your
'he fought for money' is a lie.

of course, you ignore your false statement and introduce the french
element.

the war was wrong? ok. i guess we should allow any country to invade us
then.

fact is, it is right to protect your country.


2. some leaders don't work for money. but gvp and gen. colin powel are
soldiers. they are in a leadership positions of their troops. they get
paid. simple to understand, no?

3. piece of land is a piece of land? sure, that's why they're tearing
each others head off.

4. name calling? c'mon. what did i call you? ok ok ok. me stop 'name
calling' because that be da 'lazy' way of debating.

funny you should be the one to tell me to stop name calling when you
are guilty of slandering gvp as Pov "the Liar." seesh. quite an angel
are you? oops.. i did it again.. name call. slap on the wrist.

5. why was 'help' from the Reds not accepted? seesh.. what were the
terms again? it can only be accepted if both parties agree. BILATERAL
<- keyword. remember, the chinese 'offered' help because it served
their interests/purposes. the hmong would be 'helping' the Reds too.

6. so no guns are needed? hrm.. war means kill. kill means weapons. no?
check reality. that's the fact.

even gahndi's liberation of india had bloodshed.

the will will manifest the way, which is to use means (i.e. guns) to
achieve the objectives.

fact is, the will is only the beggining.

7. keep ignoring your 'lazy' theory. like i said, go ahead, reply if
you want, but you're 'reason' is not very reasonable.

leaders and managers, oh, what a complicated debate. sounds like you've
been taking some MBA courses. good for you.


zhen wrote:
reason,

hahahahha. i already 'caught' yaweh in a 'trap' with the belief versus
fact issue. see the 'jesus is a ***' debates.

do you really want to take me on with that issue?

let's talk history.

do you think we 'lost' completely? do you not study chinese history?
how many great 'ideas' or 'inventions' made by the 'chinese' that were
adopted by them or taken credit by them?

dude, continue to show your ignorance.

the chinese have only started to confirm hmoob soveriegnty in china. we
hmoob already know from where we came and how we once ruled the middle
kingdom. but hmoob like you always whine and 'play the victim' (you
did just say we lost did you not?) and deny us our own historical
recollections.

why would imperial china admit the very idea of hmoob soveriegnty which
has real potential to overthrow them? you said it yourself, why explain
history in a way that will hurt you? LOL!

dude, do you understand what you're saying?

again, you don't have to reply but do so if you wish. you're just
giving me more ammunition to launch against your glib one-liners.

'lazy' hehehehehe



reason wrote:
Ask any Hmong how the "xeem" were "created"? seesh.. very consistent
elements and patterns showing.

Go talk to the Chinese Wang, Ma, Chang etc... Why would they take our
names when we lost???? History has shown that people take on the names
of winners. Lets talk facts not folklore.

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