Re: Lus teb Colonel Yang Thao cov lus
- From: "phabej" <hnubqubya@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 24 Aug 2005 07:56:19 -0700
Phoojywg Yaj Thoj,
Ua tsaug rau koj cov lus teb. Zoo heev li. KOj cov lus yeej tsis xu doj
xu das rau kuv li. Kev sib tham zaum no yuav muaj ntxiaj ntsim zoo pub
rau Hmoob. Nco ntsoov tias lub rooj SCH no yog rooj tso tshav leej twg
muaj zoo tswv yim los yeej caw los ntuav rau peb kawm ntag. Yog li cia
kuv teb koj cov lus hauv qab:
Yang Thao wrote: > Phabej, > > Kuv paub tas tej lug kuv has nuav tseem
xu dloj xu dlaag rua koj lauv. > Yuav yog thaum koj pum ntawm qhov muag
maam ntseeg. Raws le naj nub nua > Xejthim mej qw qw mas nwg zoo thooj
nkaus le thaum u Fuab Tais Vwj Paj > Yig taab tom yuav raug nwg tug tub
xeeb ntxwv nteg moog rua Suav. Thaum > ntawd tej zag Fuab Tais Vwj Paj
Yig tug tub xeeb ntxwv ntawd yeej xaav > has tas nwg zaaj yog kawg
nkaus lawm txha rov taw tuam ntuj nwg yawg > txha tuag. Naj nub nua mej
txuj kev xaav hab lub tswv yim kod yuav paab > tsi tau Hmoob, yuav yog
thaum txug mej thib kag lawm mej maam le paub > mas hlis dhau caij sib
paab tau lawm lau. Koj tub tsis tau pum, tsis > tau ntsib, tsis tau nov
ZZH & PKH cov lug saib yog le caag Hmoob txha > sawv rog Chao Fa? Mej
xaav xaav ca le laam has le nuav le u rua txhua > tug. Mej raug yeeb
ncuab lub tom txwv txag txag kws mej tsi ncu qaab > lawm xwb. Yog koj
xaav txawj ntse ntxiv hab saib puas txawj xaav thoob > tsib zog mas kuv
qha koj moog nyeem phoo ntawv: History of China 4,000 > years, Three
Kingdoms ( Sam Kok )hab Keeb kwm Hmoob. Tog haiv neeg > Thaib tsi tau
poob dua ua lwm haiv neeg cev qhev mas luas tub muab phoo > Three
Kingdoms nuav txhais ua lug Thaib rua luas kawm tau 200 xyoo lug >
lawm. Le ntawd, luas txha txawj ntse txaus hab tswj tau luas lub teb >
chaws. Yog thaum koj nyeem cov npoo ntawv nuav taag saib koj puas paub
> ntxiv tuaj. Yog tsis paub hab ces Hmoob tsis tog lawm. > >
Hais txog keeb kwm ces nyias yeej nyeem nyeem nyias lawm. Kev kawm txog
keeb kwm yeej yog ib qho zoo uas qhia txog tias yav dhau los noob neej
tib neeg lub neej tswm sim li cas rau li cas los xwb. Cia ua li koj
hais yog kuv tsis paub qhov twg mam li mus kawm ntxiv. Kuv to taub koj
zoo, hauv koj lub siab koj xav qhia kom peb cov hluas tsis txhob ua
siab phem rov rau yus haiv Hmoob raws li Hmoob tej keeb kwm yav dhau
los ntxiv lawm xwb. Qhov no yeej yog ib lub niam tswv yim zoo. Kuv thov
ua koj tsaug uas koj tseem txhawj xeeb txog peb cov hluas es koj thiaj
qhia thiab cheem peb. Tab sis qhov ntawv yuav pab tsis tau peb kev sib
tham no. Yog vim li cas thaum twg peb los sib tham txog Hmoob cov teeb
meem uas tswm sim rau Hmoob niaj hnub nim no koj pheej muab keeb kwm
los lwv xwb. Ntawm kuv tus kheej xav kom koj muab kiag koj lub niam
tswv yim los nthuav qhia pub paub tias yuav ua li cas thiaj li daws tau
Hmoob tej teeb meem hais no. Xyov keeb kwm yav dhau los puas yuav pab
tau Hmoob lub neej rau tag kis mus?
Xejthim, koj nkaag sab yuam kev kuv lu lug lawm. Qhov tas 30 xyoo tom >
ntej nuav saib koj puas pum ZZH & PKH qaab ntawd, tsis yog tuag lawv >
qaab nav, yog saib koj puas tau txawj ntse npaum ob tug xwb. Koj tsis >
pum ob tug nyob huv koj lub zeem muag, tab sis Hmoob feem coob hab qab
> ntuj khwb ntau leej ntau lub teb chaws leeg paub ob tug. Cas koj ua le > koj nyam saib Nploglab puas qhuas koj xwb lauv. Tab sis ncu ntsoov tas > hom tuab neeg tsis paub keeb kwm, tsis paub hwm keeb hwm kwm mas luas > tsuas siv yug thaum luas yuav siv xwb, siv taag ces luas yuav tsum muab > ntsaig tseg moog txha tsi khuam teg khuam taw. "Seuk leo kha khoui > theuk". Xejthim, koj nyaum qhuav has lug npaum ntawd rua kuv xwb koj > txawm siv ntshai tsaam kuv xuas yeeb nkaab rua koj nua lov. Ua sab luj > mas, pam xeeb yog nav tauj xub heev npaum koj mas thws hauv sab txais > mos txwv txhua hom pauj. Yeeb ncuab kuv tub tua tsi yeej, kuv tsis > khoom yuav muab koj ua kuv tug yeeb ncuab ib zag le. Tsuas yog koj cov > lug paab yeeb ncuabmas kuv txha qhuab koj miv ntsiv xwb. > > >
Cuag li yuav thaum Hmoob tej keeb kwm/hmoob lub neej/hmoob tej
laus/hmoob tej thawj coj, tab sis yeej muaj tseeb thiaj li tau hais li
qhov muaj xwb. Nej cov ua hlob pheej hais cuag li peb cov hluas tsis
paub txog Hmoob lub neej li tab sis tam li kuv paub xwb nyob rau hauv
Hmoob keeb kwm, Hmoob twb ua tsis tau ib yam dab tsi ntawm Hmoob tes
hais tias yog Hmoob tsim tawm. Yog vim li cas nej cov laus thiaj li xav
kom peb ua raws Hmoob keeb kwm? Luag pej kum lwm haiv twb mus txog saum
hli lawm es nej Hmoob twb tseem ua tsis tau tus nyuag pas dig hniav
tias yog nej teej nej tug uas nej ncuav tawm ntawm nej tes los rau
Hmoob siv. Raws pom ces thaum twg nej yuav siv pas dig hniav ces nej
cia li lov ntawm tej los dig xwb dig tas ces cuam pov tseg. Koj lub
tswv yim muab keeb kwm los qhia peb yam li zeb-qub thiab qeeb dhau rau
peb cov hluas lawm, peb tos tsis taus.
Qhia ncaj qha rau koj hais tias qhov peb cov hluas xav tau tiag ces twb
yog xav tau ib zoo niam tswv yim nag hmo lawm es twb yuav cawm tau yawg
hlob PKH, ZZH, thiab tej pej xeem Hmoob uas raug luag tua li tsiaj yam
tsis muaj nuj nqis. Koj hais tias nej paub keeb kwm thiab nej paub haj
tom ua cas tseem cia luag tua tau koj tus nai hlog PKH thiab tseem cia
yawg hlob ZZH yoo tshaib tiv kab mob kab nkeeg tuag tim Phu Blia lawm
ma? Qhov no puas yog nej cov hlob repeat Hmoob history, Fuab Tais Vwj
Paj Yig thiab coob tus Fuab Tais Hmoob nyob Tuam TShoj dhau los ma? Nej
twb paub Hmoob history tag lawm ned, ua cas nej ho tsis ceev kom tau
yawg Hlob PKH, ZZH, thiab niam ntawv Yaj Soob Lwj lawv cov uas muaj zoo
tswv yim yuav los coj Hmoob ma? Los yog nej ua neej nrog kev npau suav
xwb? Rau peb cov hluas tej yam peb pom nej ua no siv mus tsis taus vim
nws tsis yog kev tim tseeb tsuj tau/reality.
Peb cov hluas yuav tsis ua neej nrog kev npau suav li nej cov niam cov
txiv ntxiv lawm. Kev piam sij puas tsuaj puas ntsoog ntawm peb haiv
Hmoob muaj txaus dhau hwv lawm. Txawm yog nej cov ua hlob ho muaj zoo
tswv yim npaum twg los yog nej ntxias Hmoob es muab Hmoob tsij mus rau
qhov tsaus ntuj, mus tiv tsav tiv nag, yoo tshaib yoo nqis, tiv mob tiv
nkeeg, thiab phem tshaj yog muab lawv (pej xeem Hmoob) tej roj ntsa mus
pua/ntxuav los sis pauv nej lub teb chaws "npau suav" li 30 xyoo dhau
los no xwb ces peb cov hluas yuav tsis pom zoo nrog nej ua thiab yuav
tsis tso cai rau nej siv Hmoob ntxiv until nej qhia tau rau peb hais
tias nej lub tswv yim tsis yog kev "npau suav". Txhais tias yog nej
yuav ua tiag nej txwm kav ua tuam meej tuam pem kom tswm sim li nej tej
lus hais ntag (nqi no mam piav ntxiv lwm zaus...). Yog tis li ntawv nej
yuav pom coob tus hluas sawv los cheem nej. Ntseeg kuv nawj, yog thaum
cov hluas cheem tsis tau nej lawm ces nej yuav pom coob tus sawv los
hais lus li Xejthim thiab kuv ces thaum ntawv nej ho chim hais tias yog
siv yeeb ncuab li lus thiab ntshe yog mus tuaj yeeb ncuab tog lawm.
Phabej
"Nyob zoo Nkauj Nyiag, > > Ua tsaug rua koj cov lug. Kuv tsis tau tuaj
dua huv nuav hab, kuv nyav > tuaj tsi ntev mas tseem yuav ntsib hab
yuav nov qhov tsis tau nov tsi > tau pum dua le ntaag lauv. Taab sis
kuv yug raug lug ua ib tug Hmoob > lawm, kuv yeej yuav tsum paab Hmoob
kuas txug nub kawg. Yog suav dawg > tsi xaav daab tsi, kuv xaav kuas
cov thawj Hmoob kws koj has npe sau > nuav rov tuaj paab share tswv yim
rua peb suav dawg hab los pauv. Ua le > > koj has, yeej yuav muaj lub
caij nquag, hab muaj lub caij nkeeg. Nyob > le kuv mas kuj tsis tsim
nyog yuav nqeg tuaj ua si rua huv nuav, taab > sis kuv pum ib txha has
lug dhau qhov siv tau. > > > Nancy tseem tsi tau txhij, nub twg nwg
npaaj tau nyaj nwg yuav qha koj > paub. > > > Ua ntej yuav teb cov
phooj ywg kws tau nug kuv ua ntej lawd, kuv yuav > muab ib tug "cej
cam" rua peb coj xws: " Tej nam txiv sib tshe taag > yuav tsis nrauj
txaag, tej kwv tij sib tshe taag yuav tsi nrauj daab, > Hmoob sib tshe
taag yuav tsi nrauj HAIV." > > > Yuav kuas peb suav dawg nkaag sab txug
peb tug kheej hab paub fwj, > yoog, coj yug tug kheej mas peb yuav tsum
paub keeb kwm Hmoob qhov > tseem tseem ceeb nraag nuav tsaiv. > > > Kuv
tau nyeem ib phoo ntawv Thaib hu ua " Sahaphan Rat thai" has txug >
keeb kwm Hmoob nyob tuam tshoj. Phoo ntawv sau has tas: " Kwv yees xyoo
> > 1400s-1500s ( kuv tsi ncu sij hawm lawd ), Hmoob muaj 2 lub teb chaws " > > Ana Chak" nyob rua Suav teb. Lub 1 hu ua " Taj Kin Chuan", lb 2 hu ua " > > Sio Kin Chuan". Taj Kin Chuan muaj ib tug Vaaj kaav. Suav tau nqug rog > tuaj tua Hmoob ntau zag ntau xyoo los tsi yeej Hmoob. Muaj ib nub, > Hmoob txawm rov sib tua ntxhuv quav nab huv Fuab Tais lub loog zim twv. > > Pej xeem tsis paub tas vim le caag txha sib tua le ntawd, pej xeem txha > > tsis paub yuav paab leej twg tog. Vaaj Hmoob txav txim sab tsiv tawm > moog rua "Sio Kin Chuan", lub teb chaws Hmoob peg toj kws muaj tug Vaaj > > hluas kaav. Kev sib ntaus sib tua zag nuav tub yog tim tug thawj tub > rog ntxeev sab tua Fuab Tais Hmoob. Phoo ntawv has tas, tug thawj tub > rog raug Suav ntxag tau kuas tua tau Vaaj Hmoob mas nwg yuav tau ua > Vaaj Hmoob nua. Thaum Suav nov tas Hmoob rov sib tua lawm lau, Suav > txha nqug rog tuaj tua Taj Kin Chuan swb rua Suav, Hmoob raug tua yuav > laug tu noob. Tug thawj tub rog kws ntxeev sab tuaj Suav tog ntawd yog > thawj tug kws Suav muab txav kij daab. Suav has tas tug tuab neeg ntawd > > txawm tseg ca los yeej tsis tsim nuj nqe daab tsi, nwg tug Vaaj kag nwg > > tub tua taug, tseem yog Suav xwb mas ib nub nwg ham yam yuav tua Suav. > Thaum kawg Taj Kin Chuan raug poob rua Suav yaam Suav tsi tau siv zug > daab tsi ntau. Hmoob cov tub rog huv Taj Kin Chuam muaj txug le 40,000 > leej. > > > Nyob rua Sio Kin Chuan, Suav nqug rog tuaj tua Hmoob ntau zag hab ntau > xyoo kuj tsis yeej Hmoob, vim Hmoob muaj peev xwm heev. Suav pum has > tas siv tub rog tsi tau num mas Suav txha siv tom txwv tua Hmoob. Luas > siv tom txwv daab tsi? Yeej tsis dhau lub tom txwv qub kws Hmoob ib > txhis maag. Phoo ntawv has tas muaj 2 tug tub Hmoob kws moog kawm ntawv > > rua tom nroog raug Suav ntxag lug tua Vaaj Hmoob. Suav fiv has tas yog > tua tau Vaaj Hmoob mas Suav yuav muab nyaj ntau heev ob tug Hmoob hab > tseem muab Fuab Tais rua ob tug ua. Ob tug tub TXAWJ NTSE hov txha lug > tua Fuab Tais Hmoob. Thaum ob tug khaag lug rua huv loog zim txwv mas > muaj 12 txheej rooj vaag, los tub ceev xwm tseem tso ob tug dhau moog > ntsib fuab Tais Hmoob hab rua qhov Hmoob txuj cai has tas yog leej twg > txawj has lug Hmoob tais tso cai moog tau. Tog paub xwb ob tug Hmoob > txub txawj hov tub ntaus Fuab Tais Hmoob tuag lawm, cov tub ceebv xwm > Fuab Tais maam muab ob tug Hmoob ntawd tua tau. Thaum Suav nov has tas > Fuab Tais Hmoob tuag lawd, Suav txha nqug rog tuaj tsuj tua Hmoob tu > noob ib zag ntxiv hab. > > > Nyob Cobtsib teb, muaj ib xyoo ( tsis ncu xyoo lawm ), Cobtsib has kuas > > Hmoob ua yeeb ntau ntau rua Cobtsib yuav. Thaum sau yeeb taag, Cobtsib > tuaj nqaa yeeb moog lawd, tsis them nyaj rua Hmoob, Cobtsib tseem twv > Hmoob hab. Le ntawd, Hmoob tau npaaj rog tua Cobtsib. Thaum tseem taab > tom npaaj ntawd, muaj ib tug Hmoob nyob Dien Bien Fu moog qha Cobtsib > paub tas Hmoob npaaj ua rog. Cobtsib txha moog muab Hmoob cov thawj > sawb lawj tu noob. > > > Fuab Tais Vwj Paj Yig kuj raug nwg ib tug xeeb ntxwv ntxag nteg xaa rua > > Suav tua, Hmoob txha swb. > > Muaj dua ib phoo ntawv, ib tug Cobtsib sau tseg tas: " Kev txuv Hmoob > mas yooj yim tsis cuag le muab Hmoob rov tua Hmoob xwb." > > Paj Cai Vwj los kuj raug Hmoob tua ib yaam. > > GVP los raug tua ntau zag taab sis vim muaj moo txha dim. > > PKH los raug tua tuab yaam. > > Cov thawj Hmoob yaav peg suab nev puas yuav hlaa dhau tug nywj nuav? > Los Hmoob yuav qheb muag tsug rov tua Hmoob hab? Hmoob leej twg xaav > yuam kev lawm, npaaj sab yuam kev lawm los ho thim xaav, tig lug peb > Hmoob sib hlub nawb. Peb tog mej tau 30 xyoo lawm. > > > Kwv Xejthim, kuv cov lug nuav siv lug teb koj nrug hab. Koj luj koj lub > > sab hab koj ho luj keeb kwm Hmoob saib koj yeem tuaj txuj kev twg. Yang > Thao " > > Sob keeb kwm nuav tsuas has txug qhov Hmoob lim ham rua Hmoob xaav xwb, > peb Hmoob leej twg tseem xaav moog ris tug nywj nuav hab? > > > > > > > > phabej wrote: > > Phooj ywg Xejthim, > > > > KOj tsis yog heev xwb hos tseem hawj nrog lawm thiab. Cov hawj hawj li > > ko mas ua rau luag cov hlob li Yaj Thoj lawv tsis tshuav nyiam vim phov > > taus hwv. Tab sis yuav tau muaj cov hawj li koj thiab mas thiaj li yuav > > balance tau hmoob. Txawm yog Hmoob tsis muaj kev balance ces thaum twg > > ntoo vau ces hmab pheej qaug nrog. > > > > Kuv tsis to taub li tiag raws li suav daws paub mas Hmoob cov thawj coj > > tsis hais tim ub los yog tim no yeej siv zog ua kam teb chaws kawg los > > tau 30 xyoo no lawm tab sis yeej tsis txav ib rau tes dub li. Qhov > > tseeb lawv yeej paub tias lawv ua tsis tau dab tsi li koj hais tab sis > > lawv muab dag tau muaj cheem thaum lub huam thiv lawm ces ziag no txawm > > ua tau thiab tsis tau los lawv thiaj liam moj tag zog xwb. > > > > Xyov li tiag cov hluas feem coob cov paub tab mas suav daws kuj soj > > ntsuam xyuas pom tias cov thawj coj tsis pom thiab tsis paub txog gang > > muang nriaj teb no ntws li cas rau li cas li? Yog li ntawv twb tau 30 > > xyoo no lawm los cov laus thiaj pheej tseem mus hais txog CIA tej qub > > dej num puag thaum ub es thiaj hais ua roob taus theev tsis hle hais > > txog qhov Nplog tua Hmoob li. Tab sis yawg col. Yaj Thoj ho hais tias > > cov hluas mas tseem muab ntaub npog qhov muag. Tseem muab tuaj yeeb > > ncuab tog hais lus phem rau tej laus tej thawj coj. thiab cov hluas > > twb tuaj kawm tau 30 xyoo no lawm los tseem tsis tau paub tab tsis tau > > txawj ntse hlo. Xyov 30 xyoo tom ntej no ntxiv mas cov hluas puas yuav > > caum cuag PKH thiab ZZH lawv cov laus qab. Xyov leej twg thiaj li yog > > cov pom tseeb txog Hmoob lub neej tiag? Tam xav mas yog PKH thiab ZZH > > lawv heev npaum li ntawv mas lawv yeej tseem muaj txoj siab nyob li. > > Seb cov uas ntse zog es paub lub qhov cia twb tsis tuag nev tsis hais > > nyob tim ub los tuaj tim no. Tsis tag li ntawv xwb yog lawv heev npaum > > ntawv ces yawg Yaj Thoj kuj tsis tuaj tswm tim no ib zaug li. Tej lus > > yawg hlob Yaj Thoj hais no mas tsis tshua make sense pes tsawg. > > > > Phabej
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