Re: A few simple points that the extreme left wing ADR/Roubini and his acolytes never managed to answer...
- From: Nashton <nana@xxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:36:35 -0300
On 6/22/11 8:29 PM, ADR wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:16 pm, Nestor<mega...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:gogu's message
Το σύνθημα «πάρτε το μνημόνιο και φευγάτε» μπορεί να γίνει δεκτό. Μαζί
όμως με την τρόικα, φεύγοντας, θα σταματήσουν προφανέστατα και οι
εκταμιεύσεις των χρημάτων των δανειστών μας. Η χώρα μας ακόμα συντηρεί
πρωτογενή ελλείμματα. Δηλ. ξοδεύουμε πολύ περισσότερα από όσα
εισπράττουμε. Και τα παραπάνω αυτά χρήματα, που δεν πηγαίνουν σε
εξυπηρέτηση των εξωτερικών μας χρεών, τα εξασφαλίζουμε από τον
δανεισμό. Με άλλα λόγια, φεύγοντας οι δανειστές απομακρύνονται και οι
παραπάνω πόροι που ήσαν απαραίτητοι για την επιβίωσή μας. Πως θα
αντικατασταθούν;
Προφανέστατα, η πρόταση θα είναι να εξασφαλισθούν με στάση πληρωμών.
Δηλ. να σταματήσουμε να εξοφλούμε αυτά που χρωστάμε. Όμως τότε θα είναι
απόλυτα αδύνατη η όποια συνεννόηση μας για καινούργιο δανεισμό. Είναι
προφανές πως με τα διαθέσιμα χρήματα θα πρέπει να καλύψουμε τις βασικές
μας κατ' αρχήν ανάγκες. Δηλ. εισαγωγές πετρελαίου, φαρμάκων και
τροφίμων. Και στη συνέχεια πληρωμές μισθών και συντάξεων. Για όλα αυτά
τα χρήματα που εισπράττουμε δεν φθάνουν. Και υπάρχουν και τα έξοδα
λειτουργίας του κράτους. Υπάρχουν κι άλλα έξοδα πέραν των μισθών και
των συντάξεων (λ.χ. ηλεκτρικό, θέρμανση, κίνηση μέσων μεταφοράς,
τηλέφωνα και φροντίδα ασθενών, παιδιών και ηλικιωμένων, εποπτικά μέσα
στα σχολεία κα). Τι θα γίνει για όλα αυτά;
Μοναδική λύση θα είναι η έξοδος από το ευρώ, ώστε να μπορούν να
τυπωθούν χρήματα. Και για να σταματήσει η έξοδος καταθέσεων στο
εξωτερικό θα είναι ανάγκη να απαγορευθεί ή ελεύθερη κίνηση κεφαλαίων.
Αυτό όμως παραβιάζει την Συνθήκη της Ρώμης. Και πιθανότατα μας οδηγεί
κι εκτός ΕΕ. Τα συνεπακόλουθα δεν χρειάζεται να τα εξηγήσω. Αν κάποιοι
θεωρούν τα παραπάνω κινδυνολογίες δεν έχει παρά να περιγράψει τις
διαθέσιμες εναλλακτικές κινήσεις. Ώστε όλοι να καταλάβουμε πως τα
συνθήματα είναι δωρεάν. Κάποια στιγμή όμως θα χρειασθεί όλοι μας να
βάλουμε το πορτοφόλι μας εκεί που είναι το στόμα μας.
Yes, this guy is getting it at some level but please notice that there
is only one solution offered. That of exiting the Euro. Because
there is no other solution. LET ME SAY IT AGAIN. THERE IS NO OTHER
SOLUTION. The government can walk from bailout to bailout, from one
tranche loan to the next, it can keep cutting wages and increasing
unemployment but only one thing is happening. THE F*CKING DEBT IS
GOING UP TO 200% GDP!!! Every time the government cuts wages and
pensions, the economy sinks, this creates more deficits, the
government has to cut again and borrow again and on and on we go.
WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO TAKE YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ARSES????? ANY
TIME SOON???
Read below and we can all decide how deep your head is up yours.
--
"There is not chance in hell that the government will get
access to a persons' account that has moved the his/her
money quite legally to Switzerland or any other European
bank"
The naive ADR on Swiss accounts.
"Of course, they will be great Greek patriots who will fight on -and
eventually win-. In the meantime, I will stay with some proud people,
the Irish (since I have a great emotional connection with the place
and dear memories) "
ADR taking another emotional tantrum, takin g his marbles and going home.
"Palestinian rockets killed only a few rats in Israel"
Another "lesson" on current events from ADR
"I am always right, I am never wrong and you can't deal with it"
ADR and is God like infallibility
"When there are commentaries in the Wall Street Journal calling for the
replacement of this ridiculous government, you know we have reached
the end of the road"
ADR and the credence he places on ...magazines concerning the rise or fall of a govt.
"That's impossible. For the news of the fire to travel from Rome to
Actium and for the Nero to sail back to Rome it would take many more
days than the fire lasted. Nero would have arrived just to see
smoking ashes."
For ADR, Actium = Antium
Ti Lozanh, ti Kozanh.
"This totally laughable and it shows
that you are smoking something powerful.
Have you tried to install a
DSL line at home in Greece lately?"
ADR on broadband penetration in Greece.
"These radiation level are just within certain areas of the reactor.
Let's not overblow the whole thing. Provided that the plant is
finally secured and cleaned, this radiation level will decline quite
quickly (depending on the actual elements that provide the
radiation)."
ADR forgetting about the plutonium, offers his in depth
analysis of the nuclear reactor crisis in Japan.
"To think that Anastassios had anything to do with the manufacture of
medicines is a frightening thought.
A man of fathomless ignorance who uses it as knowledge to guide action
and is involved in pharmacy imparts to medication a sense of Russian
roulette that's worse than the fear of disease.
Be afraid.
A man for whom Actium is the same as Antium, inequalities are the same
as negative statements, thinks just as well that chloride is the same
as clorate and sulfide the same as sulfate. There never was a
sophist movement, ancient Greece and Rome had no lawyers, and science
is never concerned with proving negatives. Anything goes, folks.
A mind that dysfunctional in a relaxed history forum with not
deadlines or bosses must be even worse in the spheres of life with
strict obligations.
Bingo! Then one hears that such a man failed to meet his performance
goals at his work and got a bonus of exactly zero dollars last year.
And that shortly afterward his employer reconsidered Mr. Retzios'
business contribution in his 24 months of employment and felt he was
being robbed, and rightfully fired the goober's a.s.
How many times must that have happened to Anastassios,... and
counting?"
Someone pegging the fool ADR for who he really is.
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