Re: Eutuxws!

On 4/25/10 12:36 PM, ADR wrote:
On Apr 25, 4:09 am, Nashton<n...@xxxxx> wrote:
Eutuxws pou sth Ellada uparxoun an8rwpoi pou exoun antiliifthei thn
anagkh gia rizikh allagh, apo ta mesa exw, ta panw katw kai ola ta
endiamesa.
Den dihgounte paramu8akia (1.ola einai kala, 2.ftaiei h Germania einai
ratsistes!, 3.na bgoume apo to Eurozone gia na upoba8mhsoume to nomisma
mas gia na mporesoume na exagoume feta kai elaiolado se kalh timh kai ta
ntavatzilikia sunexizoun ka8ws kai h forodiafhgh, 4.H Ellada exei
anapthx8ei ekplhktika an 8ewrhsoume ti exei sunbei ta teleutaia 200
xronia-san h Ellada na htan h monh xwra sto kosmo pou upeferai apo to
prwto, deutero pagkosmio polemo h opoiadhpote allh aitia -dikaiologia)
opws merikoi pronomiouxoi pou megalwsan me to xruso koutali
epanalambanoun sunexws (xerete poioi eiasaste).

http://www.tovima.gr/default.asp?pid=2&ct=122&artId=328012&dt=25/04/2010

Diabazw polla ar8ra apo tis diafores ka8hmerines apo thn Ellada
teleutaia. Apo hli8iwthtes den exoume anagkh na diabasoume tipota allp
apo ta edotorials (akoma ftaiei h Germania, h kerdoskopia twn allwn
xwrwn kai trapezwn einai aparadekth ktl., ktl san emeis na mhn eixame
kammia sxesh me thn odeinhrh katastash mesa sthn opoia briskwmaste).

Poia paragwgikothta; Ma den uparxei kefalio. Ekpaideush; Mia xara einai
h ekpaidepsh! Grfeikratia; Ti les, kanena problhma oute ekei!
Forodiafhgh; Mpa, h Ellada den eina xeiroterh apo alla krath!.

Kai omws, h Ellada brisketai shmera, twrs, auth thn stigmh se mia
katastash aneu prohgoumenou. Elpizw oi hgetes kai o laos na diabasoun
oloi to ar8ro tou Gianitsi.

Auta.

Auta ke alla polla.

No kidding.


I have never known Tasos Yanitsis to be much of a thinker. He held
various ministerial posts in the Simitis government and it is really
not much of a surprise that he is here cheerleading the descent into
deflation and economic contraction under the government of GP. He is
hoping for another post, I am sure.

This is a very bad habit of yours and very indicative of an arrogant psychological makeup. You reject others opinions off hand not based on the merit of the arguments, but seen through your own personal like, dislike or assessment of the individual.


"Πρέπει να σχεδιάσουμε το μέλλον μας με την επώδυνη παραδοχή ότι
πιθανότατα θα περάσουμε σε έναν μακρύ κύκλο στασιμότητας ή αρνητικής
αναπτυξιακής δυναμικής (απο-ανάπτυξη)."

He even wants us to plan for this!!! He has a very generous pension
and deflation and de-industrialization or mass poverty are not really
much of his concerns!! Only theoretically so.

Hello.
This is how the economy works. It goes through periods of expansion and contraction. No tricks or anything else can save Greece, except for rolling up of sleeves and taking the bitter medicine. When one overspends, one needs to cut back when times get tougher and the debt load has gotten to unsustainable levels.


As for you Nashton, what can I say....Either your comprehension level
is miniscule and you do not understand what I am saying, or you want
to push a point without much of a discussion.

There is no discussion with you. You have never anything to backup your arguments, except for personal opinion and your own empirical and anecdotal evidence, sprinkled with editorials and blogs.

I'll leave it to others to decide who has won the debate.

When I fully reply to
you in one thread, you totally ignore it and create another because,
eh, who wants to engage in some real arguments that need some
thinking?? Certainly not you.

Absolutely not. I have engaged you in every thread. This is clearly a lie or an oversight of yours.


And yes, I strongly support exiting the Euro. It does not mean that
the Greek economy or the state should avoid painful reforms (they
should not)

More contradiction. We need reforms, painful at that, but we need to maintain all the positions in the public sector, keep them at the same level they happen to be. What kind of pain are you talking about?

but exiting the Euro is far more preferable than a decade
of deflation, poverty, de-industrialization, extreme social unrest
etc, etc, etc. All for what??? To stay in the Euro???? You must
have some screws loose somewhere.

Whether Greece stays in the Euro or not is irrelevant and academic. In the next coming days, Greece will have to get its hands on funds that it need for its maturing bonds.


Let me make it clear again for you Nashton, in case you have not
gotten it through the last 100 posts.

The ones that lacked anything to back up your assertions?
It's pretty clear where you're coming from in your posts but when you have anything to back up your opinion, feel free.

I do not support exiting the
Euro in order to avoid any structural changes to the Greek state
apparatus. Quite the contrary.

But until now, you have painted a pretty rosy picture of the Greek state. How can you possibly advocate for reforms?

These changes are essential, whatever
the currency. But there is no reason to draw the Greek public to
utter desperation and poverty in order to stay with the Euro.

10% cuts in wages, even 20% do not make people destitute. There are unemployment benefits to see them through.

And
this is the issue you have not responded to ...and cannot respond, I
guess.

Oh dear, if you haven't understood what I've been saying and backing up, repeating it isn't going to make it easier.


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