Re: OI MYTHOI THS PARADOSHS MAS

Sigge wrote:
On May 3, 1:05 pm, Nashton <n...@xxxxx> wrote:
Sigge wrote:
On May 2, 12:58 pm, Nashton <n...@xxxxx> wrote:
A minor addition here! The Greeks were not only the first to discover
the sphericity of the Earth. They were the ONLY ones to do it!
How exactly did they do it [sic], arxaioplhkte?
Read Aristotle's On heavens. The second part.
classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/heavens.2.ii.html
Since it seems you are lazy I will help you.
Merely reading a book or quoting from a chapter is not an argument. See?

Mr Nashton! You asked how they did it, I gave you a reference. That's
all!"
You confuse your terminology. Argument? Information is not an
argument!
A first source description of how they did it.

But since it is obvious that you are lazy and afraid of books I wrote
it down.

You obviously belong to the MTV-generation. Everything has to come in
small chunks and immediately.

Politness used to be part of the Greek character too.



You call this Argument? yo
I can be of some help, too. ;)

Among other arguments....
The eclipse of the Moon is due to the shadow of the Earth. The shadow
as seen on the moon is always circular . To start with a little arc
then greater. The only body whose shadow is always circular is a
sphere.

Or a disk

Very well, now will you get over it?

And the fact that the the Celestial Sphere changes as you move from
North to South. Stars not seen from Athens (e.g. Canopus) can be seen
from places south of Athens e.g. Egypt. The last observation can be
used to measure Latitudes. How?
Ara, h arxaioplhxia sou. Auto pou exei shmasia kai einai to
spoudaiotero, einai ti kanoume kai pws sunexixoume thn paradosh
*shmara*, ws Ellhnes.
Ena pragma einai sigouro: Oxi otan papagalizeis keimena pou den
katalabaineis kai den exeis thn pneumatilkh pei8arxia na grafeis entos
8ematos.
Esena o nous sou einai skorpismenos stous tesserous anemous. Den s'exw
diabasei na kaneis oute kan apopeira na xrhshmopoihseis dika sou logia.



This is
extremely important, because it proves that the scientific thinking is
ONLY the Greek way of thinking as it was formed in the 6th century
BC.
Nobody can deny the tremendous contributions of Greece to the scientific
method.
They (we can start a discussion what I think is "they") both deny and
if they cannot they try to diminish their importance. They often
lie.
Persecution complex, perhaps?



To declare that it's the only way of thinking, is silly.
THere is only one type of Science! Employ Reason, Critical Thinking,
Argumentation, Experiments, Thought Experiments. The Greeks created
this way of Thinking!
Where are your skills in this sphere? All I've seen from you so far are
declarations of how you've read this and assumptions with no base in
reality.



Collecting Data is done in all Cultures. For example the Egyptians had
observed thousands of Eclipses.
The priest said "The Gods send a snake that swallows the moon/sun and
later spits it out."
To the best of our knowledge, an "explanation" never questioned by
any Egyptian for thousands of years.
Nowhere else! Not even in China! The Babylonians were good
astronomical observers thousands of years before the Greeks. But they
never discover the sphericity of the Earth.
Are you saying that the Greeks were the only ancients to contribute to
science?
Some people confuse Science with Technology. I hope you do not.
They definitely not mutually exclusive.
You embarrass yourself with trivialities. Read the the phrase that
comes after!

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And to
construct a superferry is Modern Technology that uses Science.
Kai loipon;

A feeble brain? Why bother?

If science can't coexist with Nature then this science will go together with it's people.
The next 20 years will be interesting.



Erm, didn't Aristotle and subsequently Ptolemaeus formulate
geocentricism? So much for the infallibility of the ancient Greeks.
Infallibility is a stupid religious dogma. Science is being constantly
revised!
Scientific knoweledge accumulates!
The arguments of Aristotle about an immovable Earth are very strong. I
am sure you cannot refute them! You have to develop some physics first
in order to get passed them.
Yet, Aristarchos of Samos rejected them and proposed a Heliocentric
system just a generation after Aristotle.

Egw zw sto shmera kai to twra. Kai twra, den blepw megala pragmata apo thn
Ellada, dustuxws. Ta mona pragmata pou blepw einai kati xazo nearoi pou
nomizoun oti epeidh oi arxaioi hmwn progonoi htan autoi pou htan, oti
exei kapoia amesh shmasia ston shmerino kosmo.

Absolutely correct! But you yourself are very oriental. Like most
modern "Greeks".

We can't have all imperial armies bombing the *** out of poor countries if that's a sign of western civilization.

Lazy, rejecting books, having replaced Plato with this pitiful turkish
figure Xontza!
All you want is to make some easy drachmas (Euro) without producing
anything. And begging assistance from wealthy EUropeans.

There will be less money for Greece in the Future from the EU.
Climate change will influence the richer EU countries too.

I see you or your son or your daughter socializing with Zachopoulos in
order to find a job!

Xupna!

Wake up! Work!

Mr Nashton! From your texts I understand that you either have some of
these worthless degrees in Humanities or you have no education at all.
Why do you insist on discussing Science with me.
You obviously avoid books. Greeks created enormous Public Libraries.
Why?

" Examples of the disciplines related to humanities are ancient and modern languages, literature, history, philosophy, religion, visual and performing arts (including music). Additional subjects sometimes included in the humanities are anthropology, area studies, communications and cultural studies,"
Tell me now that the ancient Greeks didn't practice any of those disciplines described by you as useless.

Sigge



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