Re: Agamemnon needs assistance
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Henry Hooray wrote:
Our in the UK resident Greek and Cypriot freedom fighter
Agamemnon keeps insisting that I have denied massacres of Greeks
by Turks.
I have many times written that I am perfectly aware of massacres
of Greeks by Turks. Naturally, I condemn any atrocity -
regardless who the perpetrator and who the victim is.
You downplay them in comparison to the Jewish genocide.
It's sad that you cannot bring yourself to admit that Agamemnon
"downplays" then Nazi murders of the Jews in Europe - by a factor
of six to one.
And its even sadder for you not being able to admit that there have
other genocide's too.
Equal to the genocide of the Jews or even bigger.
Didn't I just mention any other genocides in the missive that you
just responded to?
I didn't, for instance, mention Mao's and Stalin's terror regimes,
genocides in Africa?
In other word, I don't just _admit_ there are other genocides, I
actually mention them - I mention them here, but why do I bother:
you just persist in your stupid denials.
What planet are you living on, Mhtsos?
Here is one other genocide: 7-9 millions http://tinyurl.com/a962x
And as for your link: I must admit I didn't read it in detail, but
it struck me that this was yet another anti-Semitic attempt at both
discrediting Jews and also to downplay The Holocaust. Just the sort
of thing that you relish, isn't it, Mhtsos?
How would you see the Germans if they would have acted like the
Turks?
" No apologies, no compensation and on top of that denying that
any genocide took part.
Add to this further invasions, occupying land, killing civilians
and making millions homeless?
If you add to what happen to the Greeks also what happen in the
80's to the Kurds.
Not only are there 200.000 Greeks who cant go back but there are
over a million Kurds who cant go back.
What about the 200-300.000 Greeks who where forced to leave
Constantinople in the 50's?
No apologies no compensations.
It's a long line and and won't end.
If the sinners don't repent and pay for their crimes or at least
pay compensation then they will do it again.
I would dearly love to see Turkey admitting guilt in a number of
areas.
Name a few
Who was it who recently said: "We are in soc.culture.greek" :o)
But let me just mention their occupation of most of Greece, and
their inhuman and barbaric rule there. One of the Greek - or, to be
more precise, Cretan - resistance leader that I admire is the famous
Daskalogiannis.
Perhaps I should write and write and write and write and write and
write again and again and again and again and again how terrible the
Turks were to him, and to people like him, and how I hate every
living Turkish man, woman and child because of the sins their
ancestors committed.
I shall hopefully never stoop that low. But I do not in the meantime
wish to share in Agamemnon's putrid hatred of all Turks, all men,
all women, all children.
But I do not in the meantime wish to share in Agamemnon's putrid
hatred of all Turks, all men, all women, all children.
You really cannot imagine, can you, that Agamemnon would ever,
under any set of circumstances, stop his self-destroying hatred,
do you, Mhtsos?
I take your non-answer as a No, shall I, Mhtsos. In other words,
people like Agamemnon and yourself will always and forever hate Turks.
Yet he keeps insisting that I am a "Holocaust denier", which is
a bit thick, coming from somebody who claims that "only" - the
most callous "only" I have seen -
I think perhaps 2-3 million but not 6.
Aha - another revisionist. Speaks volumes about you, Mhtsos.
No it is very normal that the victims exaggerate the figures and
the perpetrators either deny or make the figures smaller.
So the figure of 6 million came solely from Jews? Absolute rot,
Mhtsos. Your insistence that Jews didn't suffer as badly as they
actually did, your perseverance with historic revisionism, and your
unwillingness to condemn outright Agamemnon's patent anti-Semitism,
is beginning to make it all look as if you actually support him in
his racism.
Who was a jew according to the jews and who was a jew according to
the nazis?
http://tinyurl.com/d3ana
Perhaps this explains why you do not totally distance yourself
from Agamemnon's "The Jews are babykilling SCUM worse than Hitler".
One out of Russians or 20 millions.
I know. Now that we're at it, let's not forget Mao's and Stalin's
murderous regimes. I'm sure there are many more atrocities that
people like you and me must condemn, demand reparations for and so
on, because if not then you seem to be saying that you are I are
'racists'? So I look forward to reading your condemnation of all
of these and more - and if you miss out any, then by your omission
you have shown yourself up in the same way that you are currently
trying to 'expose' me, aren't you, Mhtsos.
And of course there are the massacres - nay, genocides - in
various places in Africa. By your own faltering logic, Mhtsos, you
really must now - this instant - condemn these.
We are in soc.culture.greek and you have been always downplaying
the genocide of other people in comparison to the genocide of the
Jews.
So now I am "downplaying" the very massacres and genocides that I
have just mentioned above???
No, I am not "downplaying" any massacre, any genocide, any atrocity.
I view them all with revulsion and disgust.
You, Mhtsos, on the other hand, is very busy not just "downplaying"
one particularly well documented atrocity, but you even want to make
it look as if it were less than half the crime it really was. You
should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself, Mhtsos!
For you the real genocide has been the one of the Jews because we
had this conversation before when I pointed to you out that the
nazis murdered 20 million russians and you said that the genocide
of the Jews was worse because the nazis murdered most European Jews.
Personally, I do think it is worse, and for this reason, which is
actually both simple and easy for anybody who can read.
There was not a Nazi policy of murdering every Russian in the world
(no more than there ever was for instance a Turkish policy of
murdering every single Greek in the world), but there was a Nazi
policy of trying to remove every Jew from the planet.
Incidentally, there is every possibility that in history Stalin was
responsible for the deaths for more Russians then the Nazis were.
Well most Danish Jews survived the 2 ww
Which was mainly thanks to the Danish people, and had absolutely
nothing whatsoever to do with the Nazi policy of eradicating the
Jewish race from this planet.
What the *** you are talking about? Hitler wanted to eradicate the
slavic, the yellow and black race too from the planet.
And he did murder 20 millions Russians.
Would he have won the war he would have exterminated ALL of them.
As you probably know (but find it impossible to admit to yourself),
the Danes smuggles the vast majority of the Jews in Denmark across
to Sweden immediately prior to the Nazi attempt to round them up and
send them to concentration camps.
But as usual you are busy trying to find reasons why the Jews didn't
suffer all that much, aren't you, Mhtsos. You really are beginning
to disgust me, Mhtsos.
Not more nor less then the other great genocide's.
The Armenian or the one in Rwanda just to give you 2 examples.
You are disgusting by putting the genocide of the Jews above all
other genocide's.
The point is that I am not differentiating. The problem here is that
your friend Agamemnon wishes to re-write history, and the vast
majority of people in this world who have an understanding of The
Holocaust that differs from his (as you well know, most people
automatically think of the Nazi murders of the Jews) he calls a
Holocaust denier and a racist.
All this while he himself totally denies the magnitude of this
particular atrocity, which is understandable in view of his pronounced
anti-Semitism:
Since I support the Palestinians who speak a Semitic language how can I
be anti-Semitic ?
Why don't you use the right term which is anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish.
Judaism is an abhorrent religion based on a god who condones genocide
and Zionism is a form of racism as stated by the UN General Assembly.
Most Armenians who were living in Turkey 1916-1918 got murdered.
Both those genocide's were tragical and no one was worse or better
then the other.
The Jews suffered often longer before they got murdered.
That's the only difference I see.
And I agree, by and large.
Then why don't you recognise that deliberate killings of Christians by
the Turks in Asia-Minor as genocide.
You are a holocaust denier that's why. To you only the killing of Jews
can be genocide.
You are disgusting Henry
An entirely mutual feeling.
Many Jews also left Europe AFTER the war to South America and were
counted as dead by the body counters later on.
Oh dear, and all the historians missed that simple fact. How stupid
they all are, with the exception of your fellow revisionists like
the Hitler-apologist David Irving.
I don't deny that millions of Jews got murdered but I just don't
believe the 6 million figure.
Even if the figure would have been 4 million or 3 it would have been
as tragically.
It would of course have been somewhat higher if Hitler and the Nazis
had managed to complete the murder of every Jewish man, woman and
child on this planet.
Why don't you shut up about the Jews and the Nazis. The Turks were
allowed to exterminate every Christian in Asia-Minor and their crime
still goes unpunished and they are still unrepentant. The Germans on the
other hand have recognised their crime and been made to pay reparations
and they have repented. The only way to make sure that this cannot
happen again is for Turkey to pay for its crimes against humanity just
like Germany did since it was because Turkeys crimes went un punished by
the Great Powers that Hitler thought he could get away with it himself.
While Turkey went unpunished the Rwandan genocide occurred and the
genocide of Cambodians because Turkey got away with it.
Of course you don't. Few if any anti-Semitists do.
So you believe in round figures?
Disregard the fact that the surviving victims usually put the numbers
of their deaths slightly higher and the murderers slightly lower?
You are still banging on about the six million being a 'Jewish'
figure. Haven't you considered that serious non-Jewish historians
(thereby excepting the David Irving, the guy with a court judgement of
being a Hitler-apologist) may have looked into these matters too?
And they do not agree with the Jewish figure because its unsubstantiated
by proper research.
Are the deaths of the people you like more valuable then the deaths
of the people you care less?
You're wrong, Mhtsos. I don't rate Jews any different from any other
human beings on this planet.
You only care about Jews being slaughtered and don't give a damn about
other people. That's why you don't recognise the killings of Christians
in Asia-Minor by the Turks as genocide.
To me the genocide of the Armenians was as tragical as the genocide
of the Jews but you put the Jews above all other people. This I am
arguing with you and nothing else.
In that case we are in absolute and total agreement, as I do not put
anybody before anybody else, not because of ethnicity, race, religion,
or any other
You are a liar. You put the Jewish holocaust before the genocide of
Chriainstsn.
common grouping factor. But don't you and Agamemnon hate Turks,
because they are Turkish, because of the crimes committed by Turks in
the past? If you answer No to this, then perhaps we may eventually
have reached the end of this particular squabble.
No.
The Turks are still perpetrating their crimes against humanity and have
still not recognised the genocides they have perpetrated nor repented
and atoned and until that happens then they will go on perpetrating more
crimes against humanity and people like you who try to appease them are
as bad as they are.
Like forcing over a million Kurds from their villages in the 80's.
Henry.
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