Re: Agamemnon needs assistance

"Mhitsos" <oldbus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Henry Hooray wrote:
>> "Mhitsos" <oldbus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Henry Hooray wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Our in the UK resident Greek and Cypriot freedom fighter Agamemnon keeps
>>>>insisting that I have denied massacres of Greeks by Turks.
>>>>
>>>>I have many times written that I am perfectly aware of massacres of
>>>>Greeks by Turks. Naturally, I condemn any atrocity - regardless who the
>>>>perpetrator and who the victim is.
>>>
>>>You downplay them in comparison to the Jewish genocide.
>>
>>
>> It's sad that you cannot bring yourself to admit that Agamemnon
>> "downplays" then Nazi murders of the Jews in Europe - by a factor of six
>> to one.
>
> And its even sadder for you not being able to admit that there have other
> genocide's too.
> Equal to the genocide of the Jews or even bigger.

Didn't I just mention any other genocides in the missive that you just
responded to?

I didn't, for instance, mention Mao's and Stalin's terror regimes, genocides
in Africa?

In other word, I don't just _admit_ there are other genocides, I actually
mention them - I mention them here, but why do I bother: you just persist in
your stupid denials.

What planet are you living on, Mhtsos?

> Here is one other genocide: 7-9 millions http://tinyurl.com/a962x

And as for your link: I must admit I didn't read it in detail, but it struck
me that this was yet another anti-Semitic attempt at both discrediting Jews
and also to downplay The Holocaust. Just the sort of thing that you relish,
isn't it, Mhtsos?

>>>How would you see the Germans if they would have acted like the Turks?
>>>" No apologies, no compensation and on top of that denying that any
>>>genocide took part.
>>>Add to this further invasions, occupying land, killing civilians and
>>>making millions homeless?
>>>If you add to what happen to the Greeks also what happen in the 80's to
>>>the Kurds.
>>>Not only are there 200.000 Greeks who cant go back but there are over a
>>>million Kurds who cant go back.
>>>What about the 200-300.000 Greeks who where forced to leave
>>>Constantinople in the 50's?
>>>No apologies no compensations.
>>>It's a long line and and won't end.
>>>If the sinners don't repent and pay for their crimes or at least pay
>>>compensation then they will do it again.
>>
>>
>> I would dearly love to see Turkey admitting guilt in a number of areas.
>
> Name a few

Who was it who recently said: "We are in soc.culture.greek" :o)

But let me just mention their occupation of most of Greece, and their
inhuman and barbaric rule there. One of the Greek - or, to be more precise,
Cretan - resistance leader that I admire is the famous Daskalogiannis.

Perhaps I should write and write and write and write and write and write
again and again and again and again and again how terrible the Turks were to
him, and to people like him, and how I hate every living Turkish man, woman
and child because of the sins their ancestors committed.

I shall hopefully never stoop that low. But I do not in the meantime wish to
share in Agamemnon's putrid hatred of all Turks, all men, all women, all
children.

>> But I do not in the meantime wish to share in Agamemnon's putrid hatred
>> of all Turks, all men, all women, all children.
>>
>> You really cannot imagine, can you, that Agamemnon would ever, under any
>> set of circumstances, stop his self-destroying hatred, do you, Mhtsos?

I take your non-answer as a No, shall I, Mhtsos. In other words, people like
Agamemnon and yourself will always and forever hate Turks.

>>>>Yet he keeps insisting that I am a "Holocaust denier", which is a bit
>>>>thick, coming from somebody who claims that "only" - the most callous
>>>>"only" I have seen -
>>>
>>>I think perhaps 2-3 million but not 6.
>>
>>
>> Aha - another revisionist. Speaks volumes about you, Mhtsos.
>
> No it is very normal that the victims exaggerate the figures and the
> perpetrators either deny or make the figures smaller.

So the figure of 6 million came solely from Jews? Absolute rot, Mhtsos. Your
insistence that Jews didn't suffer as badly as they actually did, your
perseverance with historic revisionism, and your unwillingness to condemn
outright Agamemnon's patent anti-Semitism, is beginning to make it all look
as if you actually support him in his racism.

> Who was a jew according to the jews and who was a jew according to the
> nazis?
> http://tinyurl.com/d3ana
>>
>> Perhaps this explains why you do not totally distance yourself from
>> Agamemnon's "The Jews are babykilling SCUM worse than Hitler".
>>
>>
>>>One out of Russians or 20 millions.
>>
>>
>> I know. Now that we're at it, let's not forget Mao's and Stalin's
>> murderous regimes. I'm sure there are many more atrocities that people
>> like you and me must condemn, demand reparations for and so on, because
>> if not then you seem to be saying that you are I are 'racists'? So I look
>> forward to reading your condemnation of all of these and more - and if
>> you miss out any, then by your omission you have shown yourself up in the
>> same way that you are currently trying to 'expose' me, aren't you,
>> Mhtsos.
>>
>> And of course there are the massacres - nay, genocides - in various
>> places in Africa. By your own faltering logic, Mhtsos, you really must
>> now - this instant - condemn these.
>
> We are in soc.culture.greek and you have been always downplaying the
> genocide of other people in comparison to the genocide of the Jews.

So now I am "downplaying" the very massacres and genocides that I have just
mentioned above???

No, I am not "downplaying" any massacre, any genocide, any atrocity. I view
them all with revulsion and disgust.

You, Mhtsos, on the other hand, is very busy not just "downplaying" one
particularly well documented atrocity, but you even want to make it look as
if it were less than half the crime it really was. You should be thoroughly
ashamed of yourself, Mhtsos!

> For you the real genocide has been the one of the Jews because we had this
> conversation before when I pointed to you out that the nazis murdered 20
> million russians and you said that the genocide of the Jews was worse
> because the nazis murdered most European Jews.

Personally, I do think it is worse, and for this reason, which is actually
both simple and easy for anybody who can read.

There was not a Nazi policy of murdering every Russian in the world (no more
than there ever was for instance a Turkish policy of murdering every single
Greek in the world), but there was a Nazi policy of trying to remove every
Jew from the planet.

Incidentally, there is every possibility that in history Stalin was
responsible for the deaths for more Russians then the Nazis were.

> Well most Danish Jews survived the 2 ww

Which was mainly thanks to the Danish people, and had absolutely nothing
whatsoever to do with the Nazi policy of eradicating the Jewish race from
this planet. As you probably know (but find it impossible to admit to
yourself), the Danes smuggles the vast majority of the Jews in Denmark
across to Sweden immediately prior to the Nazi attempt to round them up and
send them to concentration camps.

But as usual you are busy trying to find reasons why the Jews didn't suffer
all that much, aren't you, Mhtsos. You really are beginning to disgust me,
Mhtsos.

> Many Jews also left Europe AFTER the war to South America and were counted
> as dead by the body counters later on.

Oh dear, and all the historians missed that simple fact. How stupid they all
are, with the exception of your fellow revisionists like the
Hitler-apologist David Irving.

> I don't deny that millions of Jews got murdered but I just don't believe
> the 6 million figure.

Of course you don't. Few if any anti-Semitists do.

Henry.


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