Re: palin makes jews in florida vote for obama
- From: Dirty Sick Pig <drtysicpig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:29:35 GMT
On Oct 18, 11:14 pm, president booby <bernardson...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:The more voters learn about Sarah Palin, the more wary they become.
Once the focus of post-convention Republican euphoria, the Alaska
Governor is now viewed as a serious liability to the McCain campaign.
As it stands, Palin's polling numbers are daunting: with the unfolding
economic crisis, her favorable to unfavorable ratings have switched
from a positive 40-30, according to a September 12-16 New York Times
survey, to a negative 32-41 in an October 10-13 survey.
Palin is, additionally, costing McCain newspaper endorsements. Editor
and Publisher calculated that as of Oct 18, Barack Obama led McCain
58-16 in the competition for the backing of newspapers. Many of the
endorsements cited Palin as a factor in their rejection of McCain. The
Salt Lake Tribune, which supported George W. Bush in 2004, commented
that "out of nowhere, and without proper vetting, the impetuous McCain
picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. She quickly proved
grievously under-equipped to step into the presidency should McCain,
at 72 and with a history of health problems, die in office. More than
any single factor, McCain's bad judgment in choosing the inarticulate,
insular and ethically challenged Palin disqualifies him for the
presidency." The Kansas City Star, in turn, described Palin as
Brookings Senior Fellow Thomas Mann told the Huffington Post that
initially, Palin both built conservative enthusiasm for McCain and
drew widespread interest among voters who had not been closely
following the race. But those benefits soon evanesced:
"Within weeks, she became a liability, primarily as a highly visible
indicator of McCain's impulsiveness and recklessness in picking
someone who is patently unqualified to serve as president and
commander-in-chief. McCain's only chance of making this election
competitive was to contrast his readiness to serve with Obama's
inexperience and naiveté. The Palin choice was the first clear sign
(others followed) that McCain could not win that comparison."
Norman Ornstein, of the American Enterprise Institute, agrees about
the immediate gains, noting that the "short term boost dissipated
awfully quickly. Palin's clear lack of capability to serve as VP, much
less as president, her lack of knowledge of even basics about most
areas of policy, her ethical problems in Alaska over Troopergate, and
the campaign decision to cloister her from serious scrutiny, all
caused a drop in her own approval, but also reflected on McCain's
decision-making style." Palin continues to "generate enthusiasm from
hard-core Republicans who would not be as charged-up if the running
mate were, say, a [Mitt] Romney or [Tim] Pawlenty," Ornstein says,
"but the downside is definitely greater than the gain."
Palin's analysis of the current economic crisis has not won over most
voters seeking a serious appraisal of the situation accompanied by
well-thought out proposals. In a highly sympathetic interview with
Sean Hannity on Fox News, the verbatim exchange on the economy went as
PALIN: "Certainly it is a mess though, the economy is a mess. And
there have been abuses on Wall Street and that adversely affects Main
And it's that commitment that John McCain is articulating today,
getting in there, reforming the way that Wall Street has been allowed
to work, stopping the abuses and that violation of the public trust
that too many CEOs and top management of some of these companies, that
abuse there has got to stop.
Story continues below
It is, somebody was saying this morning, a toxic waste there on Wall
Street, affecting Main Street. And we've got to cure this."
HANNITY: "Through reform?"
PALIN: "Through reform, absolutely. Look at the oversight that has
been lax, I believe, here it's a 1930s type of regulatory regime
overseeing some of these corporations. And we've got to get a more
coordinated and a much more stringent oversight regime. Not that
government is going to be solely looked to for the answers in all of
the problems in Wall Street, but government can play a very, very
appropriate role in the oversight as people are trusting these
companies with their life savings, with their investments, with their
insurance policies and construction bonds and everything else. When we
see the collapse that we're seeing today, you know that something is
broke and John McCain has a great plan to get in there and fix it."
HANNITY: "Is Senator Obama then using what happened on Wall Street
this week? Is he using it for political gain? Is there a danger of a
presidential candidate is saying to the world that America's situation
of economic crisis is the worst that we've seen in decades -- which
was words that he was using yesterday -- is there a danger in terms of
the world hearing that?"
PALIN: "Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive
partisanship to get into the issue that we're talking about today. And
that's something that John McCain too, his track record, proving that
he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship
that must surpassed to deal with an issue like this. It is that
profound and that important an issue that we work together on this and
not just let one party try to kind of grab it all or capture it all
and pretend like they have all the answers. It's going to take
everybody working together on this."
Vice presidential picks have been considered by political scientists
as irrelevant to the outcome. This year, however, there is a
contribution Palin may make: If McCain loses Florida by a close
margin, Palin will likely deserve responsibility because of the
animosity she has generated among a key constituency the GOP was
depending on to abandon its traditional support for Democrats: older
In Florida, where McCain had led - sometimes by relatively strong
margins - Obama took the lead during the past month. Real Clear
Politics gives Obama a 3.2 percentage point advantage in the state,
which has become a key battleground.
In 2004, George W. Bush beat John Kerry 52-47 in Florida, while losing
the Jewish vote, which makes up five percent of the electorate, 4-1.
On May 22, 2008, well before the Palin pick, the New York Times
reported widespread concerns about the prospective Democratic nominee
in a story headlined "As Obama Heads to Florida, Many of Its Jews Have
The Palin pick was from the start viewed even more negatively by
Jewish voters. By a margin of 57-37, Jewish voters nationwide said
they disapproved McCain's decision according to a September 8- 21
survey by the American Jewish Committee.
Among Florida Jewish voters, according to University of Florida
political scientist Ken Wald, "there's a great deal of resistance to
her for a couple of reasons. First, on the issues, she's simply wrong.
Jews as a group are pro-choice, anti-gun, and generally associated
with liberal values on social and economic issues. Even many orthodox
Jews, who are somewhat more traditionalist, are hardly raging social
conservatives. The fact that her church hosted a Jews for Jesus
speaker--at a service she attended and applauded--adds insult to
injury. (Many in the Jewish community consider Jews for Jesus as a
group that seeks the continuation of the Holocaust by peaceful
In addition, Wald told the Huffington Post, "among middle-class Jewish
career women in particular, there's a resentment bordering on rage
that somebody so obviously unqualified was appointed on the assumption
that she would appeal to women. As women of accomplishment, they
deeply resent the pandering and take it quite personally."
In an interview with the Tampa Bay Times and Bay News McCain
acknowledged that he would be having a much easier time in Florida had
he picked the state's Governor, Charlie Crist, instead of Palin.
"Charlie, because he's so popular, he probably would have made a
significant difference,'' McCain said, "Look, this is a tough decision
that we made with Sarah Palin. But I also saw Sarah Palin come down
here and energize crowds in a way that's pretty remarkable, too."
The crucial long-range question about Palin is whether she becomes the
banner carrier for Republican conservatives, especially social
conservatives, earning their support for the GOP nomination in 2012.
Conservative author and publicist Craig Shirley argues that Palin's
"first job was to unify the convention and this she accomplished, even
better than expected. Her second job was to rally the base and at this
she has been less successful, though through little fault of her
own. ... Her only weakness is that her handlers did not believe in
Palin as much as she believed in herself and as a result, she has been
damaged and thus has some rehabilitation work ahead of her."
Shirley holds in disdain those on the right who have criticized or
turned against Palin: "The sunshine conservatives and summer
Reaganites who have cut and run on Palin are the same weak-sister
Republicans who chose Gerald Ford over 'that actor' Ronald Reagan in
1976, because he went to Eureka College and because he foolishly
thought we could defeat Soviet Communism. Didn't he know all the
sophisticates on both sides supported 'détente'?"
In the immediate aftermath of Palin's nomination over a month ago,
Washingtonpost.com's Chris Cillizza noted the surge of enthusiasm for
her: "While any number of candidates -- former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt
Romney, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Florida Gov. Charlie
Crist, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty -- are already being seriously
mentioned, Palin has quickly eclipsed all of them when it comes to
2012 positioning. She is seen as the bright new star in the Republican
universe and it seems unlikely that her fresh-faced appeal will wear
off completely -- especially among the GOP rank and file voters who
tend to decide the identity of their party's nominee."
That luster has, however, come off and -- despite Democrats privately
cheering her on -- Palin's future as a national politician now appears
likely to be damaged.
In what read more like an obituary than a commentary, Peggy Noonan
wrote in the Wall Street Journal: "In the end the Palin candidacy is a
symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics.
It's no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes,
it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism."
The author quotes University of Florida political scientist Ken Wald
as stating the following: "The fact that her [Sarah Palin's] church
hosted a Jews for Jesus speaker--at a service she attended and
applauded--adds insult to injury. (Many in the Jewish community
consider Jews for Jesus as a group that seeks the continuation of the
Holocaust by peaceful means.)" Let me respond to Mr. Wald's last
sentence with these words from Moishe Rosen, the founder of Jews for
Jesus: "No one with any real intellect could sincerely equate
attempted genocide with a gospel statement made to someone who is free
to accept it, reject it or even walk away."
Inshallaha! Amen! Goomboo-roomboo!
Too bad you had to respond to a retard who's only good at grabbing other people's words without the decency of even mentioning the author's initials. Mario Guillen Masana is a 40ish postal bagger and college junior enrolled in remedial arithmetic with remedial English to follow. His posted email address bernardosongco@xxxxxxx (among so many) is valid and if you have the stomach for it, you may correspond with him direct. This newsgroup has a list of all the AOL and Gmail addresses he used and still uses. You may have them all if you wish.
Are you really "messianic," Matt?
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