Re: "nope sorry try again" [Re: Slavery]

On Aug 22, 4:27 pm, Dirty Sick Pig <drtysicpig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Boracay Bill wrote:
OK. Excuse my apparent misuse of the technical term "slavery".

I wasn't harping on that.

Instead, let's use the term used in the RP Constitution: "involuntary
servitude".

Bill, I have a feeling you're on the move or busy and haven't digested
my initial response properly.

Quoting article III, section 18(2)s: " No involuntary servitude in any
from shall exist except as punishment for a crime whereof the party
shall be duly convicted."

Bill, I have a feeling you're on the move or quite busy and haven't
digested my initial response properly.

I have not read HB04580 because I cannot find a means of displaying
the text of House Bills onhttp://www.congress.gov.ph.  I do see that
its title is "AN ACT REQUIRING ALL FILIPINO REGISTERED PROFESSIONALS
TO RENDER AT LEAST TWO (2) YEARS SERVICE WITHIN THE COUNTRY PRIOR TO
ANY EMPLOYMENT ABROAD".

I haven't either, but I have enough materials from you to formulate a
mini-response.

Would a legal requirement that Filipino registered professionals
render at least two (2) years service within the country prior to any
employment abroad be considered a requirement that they render
involuntary servitude?  Would such required servitude be  involuntary?

Bill, I have a feeling you're on the move or quite busy and haven't
digested my initial response properly.

On Aug 23, 12:44 am, Dirty Sick Pig <drtysicpig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Boracay Bill wrote:
An Op-Ed piece in the 21 August Manila Standard headed "Imposing
Nationalism" opens:
Have the sorry effects of brain drain seeped into the halls of
Congress?
Not this time.  Manila Standard should have referred the draft of the
article to their legal beagles prior to publication.  Bat ob korz, it
was just an op-ed piece with the usual chestnut and not a genuine
reporting-of-facts story kinda thang.

House Bill 4580 seeks to require health workers (doctors, nurses,
pharmacists, midwives, physical therapists, nutritionists) as well as
other professionals (engineers, teachers, sailors, accountants,
interior designers, criminologists, librarians, guidance counselors
and even master plumbers) to render their services in the Philippines
for two years before exploring opportunities abroad. <remainder
snipped>
seehttp://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=news5_aug21_2008)
Article III, Section 18(2) of the RP Constitution reads: " No
involuntary servitude in any from shall exist except as punishment for
a crime whereof the party shall be duly convicted."
"Involuntary servitude" refers to services a person is forced to
provide to another person under conditions that may be said as not
quite chattelslavery(absoluteslavery, e.g., Leebat Industries'
basement zombies) or peonage (servitude to pay for a debt or other
obligation, e.g., DSP Pigpens' bond slaves).

However, most legal definitions, whether by courts or by legislatures,
specifically exclude governments from the constitutional proscription.
This is why there are perfectly legal gizmos such as involuntary
civilian service and involuntary military service in many countries,
usually coated in more palatable descriptive words.

Exempted involuntary servitude is most prevalent in the armed forces.
But is is purrfectlee legal when an enlisted member's obligated service
is extended for receiving advanced technical training and privileges
(usually a promotion or choice of assignments upon graduation).
Ringknockers from military glamor schools also incur obligated
commissioned service upon graduation in exchange for that fancy bachelor
of science degree; U.S. ROTC (the real ROTC paid for by taxpayers) grads
who refuse commissions after using up all that rot-c scholarship wampum
to get their degrees also find themselves in the active enlisted
ranks.....without having to go through boot camps.  B.F.D.!

The Pinoy professionals and other skilled workers listed in HB-4580 DO
NOT HAVE TO provide their services, such servitude merely being
requirements for the granting of certain privileges of citizenship and
obtaining certain personally-desirable government services.

[The college student Mr. M. G. Masana is invited to provide his college
junior level input to this thread, just for the simple reason that,
having ran out of words, I quoted his nugget of wisdom on the subject line.]

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