Re: JESUS AND THE DEVIL IN THE BIBLE
- From: boracaybill@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: 13 Feb 2006 17:16:00 -0800
jane abraham wrote:
JESUS AND THE DEVIL IN THE BIBLEHmmm......
In the New Testament of the Bibles, the 4th chapter of S. Matthew, the
6th and the 7th verses clearly indicate that Jesus is an obedient one
and God is the Master and the Lord.
" Thou shall not tempt the Lord, thy God"
In this chapter, the Devil actually carried the Messiah, and took him
from place to place. How can the devil carry God?
Then the Devil order him to prostrate before him and worship him even
tempting him with worldly possessions. How an the Devil even dare such
an audacity with God? When the Devil wanted Jesus to comply with his
order, he (Jesus) replied by saying:
"Thou shall not prostrate before any but the Lord, your God. And HIM
alone shall you worship" S. Matthew 4:10
I'm not religious at all, but just out of curiosity I took a look at
the passages you quoted. I don't know what bible version you are
quoting from, but I'll look at the King James Version (KJV) and the
Revised Standard Version (RSV), which differ only slightly from your
quotes:
Mat 4:5-10 (KJV)
5: Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on
a pinnacle of the temple,
6: And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down:
for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and
in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy
foot against a stone.
7: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the
Lord thy God.
8: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and
sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt
fall down and worship me.
10: Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is
written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou
serve.
Mat 4:5-10 (RSV)
[5] Then the devil took him to the holy city, and set him on the
pinnacle of the temple,
[6] and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down;
for it is written, `He will give his angels charge of you,' and `On
their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a
stone.'"
[7] Jesus said to him, "Again it is written, `You shall not tempt the
Lord your God.'"
[8] Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him
all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them;
[9] and he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall
down and worship me."
[10] Then Jesus said to him, "Begone, Satan! for it is written, `You
shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.'"
The main difference I see between these versions and the version you
quote is the word you quote as "alone" in Mat 4:10. Both KJV and RSV
render this word as "only". This does not seem to me to be a big
difference.
In Mat 4:6, the Devil more-or-less correctly quotes Psalm 91:11-12
Psalms 91:11-12 (KJV)
11: For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all
thy ways.
12: They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot
against a stone.
Psalms 91:11-12 (RSV)
[11] For he will give his angels charge of you to guard you in all your
ways.
[12] On their hands they will bear you up, lest you dash your foot
against a stone.
In Mat 4:10, Jesus misquotes Deuteronomy 6:13 (at least, according to
Matthew he does).
Dt 6:13 (KJV): Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and
shalt swear by his name.
Dt 6:13 (RSV): You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him,
and swear by his name.
According to Matthew, Jesus misquoted this by adding the word "only"
(KJV and RSV) or "alone" (your version).
JESUS: A PHOPHET OF ALLAH
" And behold, one come and said unto him, Good master, what good
thing shall I do tat I may eternal life? And he(Jesus) said unto him ,
Why callest thou me good? (There is) none good but one, (God), but if
thou will enter into life, keep the commandment" Matthew 19:16-17
This bit is interesting.
Mat 19:16-17 (KJV)
16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good
thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good
but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the
commandments.
Mat 19:16-17 (RSV)
[16] And behold, one came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed
must I do, to have eternal life?"
[17] And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One
there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments."
As I read this, Mathew quotes Jesus as saying that eternal life does
not depend on Faith alone or, for that matter, on Faith at all.
Instead, Jesus is quoted as saying that eternal life depends on one's
actions in keeping the commandments -- without any added qualification
based on the degree of one's Faith.
I also note that Matthew, in 4:7, quotes Jesus as saying, "Thou shalt
not tempt the Lord thy God." (quoting Dt.6:16 ). Yet James (1:13) says
that "God cannot be tempted." One wonders, can God be tempted?
Actually, KJV and RSV differ a bit here regarding the word rendered in
KJV and in your version as "tempt":
Dt 6:16 (KJV): Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him
in Massah.
Dt 6:16 (RSV): "You shall not put the LORD your God to the test, as you
tested him at Massah.
James 1:13 (KJV): Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of
God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
James 1:13 (RSV): Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by
God"; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one;
In RSV, Dt. 6:16 says "test", not "tempt". However, James 1:13 still
says "tempt" , not "test" in RSV.
Going back to Dt: 6:16, this speaks of God being tempted (KJV) or
tested (RSV) at Massah. This apparently refers to Exodus 17:7
Ex 17:5-7 (KJV)
4: And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, What shall I do unto this
people? they be almost ready to stone me.
5: And the LORD said unto Moses, Go on before the people, and take with
thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the
river, take in thine hand, and go.
6: Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and
thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that
the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of
Israel.
7: And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of
the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they tempted the
LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not?
Ex 17:5-7 (RSV)
[5] And the LORD said to Moses, "Pass on before the people, taking with
you some of the elders of Israel; and take in your hand the rod with
which you struck the Nile, and go.
[6] Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock at Horeb; and you
shall strike the rock, and water shall come out of it, that the people
may drink." And Moses did so, in the sight of the elders of Israel.
[7] And he called the name of the place Massah and Mer'ibah, because of
the faultfinding of the children of Israel, and because they put the
LORD to the proof by saying, "Is the LORD among us or not?"
Remaindier snipped (I lost interest)
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