Re: Isolationism (Re: For those who hate the USA)


Rajah Homaba wrote:
> tumbaga wrote:
> > Rajah Homaba wrote:
> >
> > >>>Perhaps it's a really ambiguous choice that no one really wants to
> > >>>make. Like, let your sons and daughters fight a war of WWII
> > >>>proportions (not gulf war small proportion) each and every decade? Or
> > >>>instead just allow the CIA to do its clandestine preemption operations
> > >>>even if it involves political dirty tricks to weaken the enemy
> > >>>preventing them from becoming as powerful as Hitler Stalin or Napoleon?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>USA has a war for every generation, big or small. There are intelligence
> > >>gathering in the olden days like it is now, the difference is that back
> > >>then, what happens overseas has no effect on US interests, except in
> > >>South and Central America.
> > >>
> > >>Where bananas are grown.
> > >>
> > >>That is why the US sponsored plenty of dictators and established
> > >>countries divided up from existing countries there. Today, these things
> > >>come up and fuel the protests. If you think about it, the protests we
> > >>see now is brought by fear of the divisive policies of the present US
> > >>president and the history of relationship between the Americas.
> > >>
> > >>Anyway, the joke that Robin Wiliams made was old, but being liberal he
> > >>was largely ignored by Conservatives and neo-Cons, so they missed out on
> > >>quite a large number of wisdom coming from these "Liberal" pinkos. If
> > >>there are really such people.
> > >>
> > >>Labels aren't helpful.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that's correct. Anyway, I think the main usefulness of the CIA
> > > nowadays is preventing the scenario depicted in the movie the sum of
> > > all fears from ever happening. Preventing nuclear resources from
> > > falling in the hands of persons and organizations who want to end the
> > > western way of life and in our case our westernized way of life.
> > > Because previously a nuclear bomb ended the samurai way of life, the
> > > way of bushido. So we already have a terrible feasible example. And
> > > without the CIA guarding nowadays, that same nuclear explosive fate can
> > > also spell the end to the western way of life and with our westernized
> > > way of life too.
> > >
> >
> > The problem of the CIA being a personal tool of whoever's in power,
> > hopefully is gone, anyway, everything should have a check to balance it.
> >
> > CIA and other intelligence gathering agencies should continue, with
> > proper intelligence a number of things could be averted, 9/11 should
> > have been one of them, of course, like everything that has gone wrong,
> > it is blame squarely on Clinton and democrats, the blame is far more
> > complicated than that, one is each group jealously guarding their
> > intelligence and wishes not to share it, when I first mentioned it, I
> > was castigated here.
> >
> > A long line of reasons why I am wrong was provided, but after two years,
> > sure enough, I was right all along.
> >
> > Taking out Saddam should have been a CIA operation, with locals helping,
> > Clinton requested a plan like that, however the group was caught, poor
> > planning I guess. Then the group who were locals suddenly found
> > themselves on their own, I don't know if they know, you get caught, YOU
> > ARE ON YOUR OWN.
> >
> > Saddam has better intelligence, I guess. But I wonder if they were
> > successful, I am sure this so called insurgency (With the amount of
> > non-Iraqis blowing up people and things, should be called ex-surgents)
> > might be bloodier, since there would be a vacuum in power.
> >
> > The way of the Bushido had been outlawed way before WW2 but was revived
> > by the series of wars Japan have with China, Korea and Russia. People
> > know that it has no reason to exist in peacetime, but some people
> > romanticize it.
>
> If the CIA is abolished then the other option for the US is
> isolationism. Because anyway, perhaps of the history you mentioned
> about the US' banana republic manipulation or remote controlling of
> governments of other countries to favor the interests of the US in
> expense of foreign countries, people around the world are aware of this
> banana republic remote controlling in the past that's why they hate
> Americans. So as a result the US government will have to forever
> forbid their citizens from traveling outside the US (except outer space
> or international waters) because US citizens are fatally hated in most
> parts of the world. Probably this fatal hatred towards US citizens
> will thrive for several future generations. If there is no longer
> clandestine preemptive operations to nuclear proliferation, then the US
> will have no choice but to finish constructing their anti ballistic
> missile shield as part of their isolationism. I think Americans will
> be alright living isolated from the world because the US already has
> every climate to experience. Like they have tropical Florida and
> Hawaii (if Hawaii doesn't declare independence), desert at the west
> and cold icy climate at the north. And at least if the US develops
> self sufficient technologies that will allow them to adopt an
> isolationist system, well I think the Philippines must also adopt those
> technologies to be able to become an isolationist itself like the US.
> Though I think Filipinos like most other people will still be welcomed
> and still enjoy a collectively friendly treatment from all countries in
> the future especially when all citizens are educated middle class
> suburbanites already like in other countries in the future.
>
> I think even if its wartime again, I don't think most pop cultured
> Japanese generation of today would be able to seriously go back to
> bushido as it was originally. A few maybe. Because not only did the
> real nuke blew bushido away but also Hollywood bombardment made sure of
> that. Only a serious madmax world situation will make most Japanese
> revert back to their original war mode culture.

But of course Filipinos are among the few societies in the world that
are collectively friendly to westerners no matter what happened in the
past, or uh present, or future. Friends forever! Even if we all
become isolationists because of the available self sufficient
technologies in the future. Communication technology is still there,
anyway. Friends will be friends! :-)

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