Re: POSSIBLE SRI-VIJAYAN OR MAJAPAHIT ARTIFACT

abakada wrote:

i speak illongo and cebuano.  manuvus  used to live near or  was in my
hometown  in cdoc. its bulawan . i never heard buwawan and i travelled
 all over mindanao  from zamboanga, davao to  cdoc.   are you sure its
not a typo?

Do you speak Manobo? A related language I am sure but there would be some differences, probably the words would be slightly different? More than likely. 

 sabi ni sushi also ...

Hinduism is not influential in Philippine pre-hispanic
ancient history at all.

It isn't, 

There is a lot of implications here.




 ohh? from the master of cut and paste.zorroren
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Philippines or part of Sri Vijaya Empire

Philippines was for a time part of the Sri Vijaya Empire, which has
been described by Filippino historians, as Hinduistic in culture.


People a lot of them historians missed something here, the relationship of pre-Hispanic Philippines to Sri Vijaya and Majapahit Empires is not the same as in the European sense of a vassal state.

Dr Pardo de Tavera has observed:

�It is impossible to believe that the Hindus, if they came only as
merchants, however great their number, would have impressed themselves
in such a way as to give to these islanders, the Philippines, the
number and the kind of words, which they did give. These names of
dignitaries, of caciques, of high functionaries of the court, of noble
ladies, indicate that these high positions, with names of Sanskrit
origin, were occupied at one time by men, who spoke that language. The
words of similar origin, for objects of war, fortresses and battle
songs, for designating objects of religious beliefs, for superstitions,
emotions, feelings, industrial and farming activities, show us clearly
that the warfare, religion, literature, industry and agriculture were
at once time in the hands of the Hindus and that this race was
effectively dominant in the Philippines.�

(source: El Sanscrito en la langua Tagalag - T H Pardo de Tavera Paris
1887; The Philippines and India - Dhirendra Nath Roy Manila 1929 and
India and The World - By Buddha Prakash p. 119-120).

more ...

. In fact, the script of the Filipinos has some obvious similarities
with that of South India. "Our dialects belong to the Dravidian
family." says Justice Romualdez. "The names of some places on the
shores of Manila Bay and the coast of Luzon show their Sanskrit
origin."

When the script arrived it evolved into one that can be used by the ancient FIlipinos and Indonesians.. etc..
Some characters had been removed, sounds that does not exist. Justice Romualdez however is completely wrong about the language family, and the names and places aren't Sanskrit in origin. 

Indian influence is most patent in handicrafts and the old names of
coins used there. Many social customs current there show a likeness to
the Indian ones. Saleeby says, "The head-gods of the Indian Triad and
the earliest Vedic gods had the foremost place in the minds and
devotion of the hill-tribes of Luzon and Mindanao. A Ganesha statue too
was found there. Indeed as Beyer says, "India has most profoundly
affected the Philippine civilization."

Even the national flower of Philippines is the Indian champaka. The
Indian influence on Philippines is explicable by the fact that it was
that it was for 150 years a colony of a Java-based Hindu Empire of Sri
Vijaya.

Sampaguita is Jasmine family, some evidence of of "Indianized" peoples did arrived but not Indians themselves. 

(source: The Soul of India - By Satyavrata R Patel p. 30).


flipcombatmedicJan 1 2005, 12:42 AM
yeah most of those are the ones that got converted to islam. i think
like i said to the other site, that islam might have came through
indians. i'm not sure if abu bakr was arabic or arabic indian or mughal
indian or just indian muslim but he brought islam to the islands,
specifically in mindanao.


It has been recorded that Abu Bakar was half Arab.
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