Re: Exposing Dan Christensen's "genocide" lie again
- From: PL <pl.nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:31:32 +0100
On 9/12/2011 1:46, CubaFAQ wrote:
On Dec 8, 9:46 am, PL<pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:(snip)
[snipping portions of PL's abusive posting already debunked here, or
just too lame to bother with]
fails to quote any reputable international
organization referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide".
Like an old, unrepentant Nazi,
You are the "Nazi" Dan Christensen aka DCPROOF.
You even support death squads.
Note that again Dan Christensen aka DCPROOF fails to post ANY quote from ANY reputable international organization calling the trade sanctions genocide.
All he comes up with his his own post-edited misquoted snippets.
what Dan Christensen snipped: snipped:
Los 75 de Cuba
Part of: The impela project Cuba
Former political prisoners of the Group of 75 Felix Navarro, Jose Daniel
Ferrer García and Angel Moya Acosta are still detained in units
police Matanzas and Santiago de Cuba, according to the
dissidents on the island
Three former political prisoners of the Group of 75 Still detained
Available with online translation at:
> And this support comes from a regime that continues to this day to
> inflict genocidal trade sanctions on their fellow Cubans.
Same "spam" lie Dan Christensen, same rply.
Exposing Dan Christensen's (aka DCPROOF) "genocide" lie as I have done so often.
- Dan Christensen again fails to quote any reputable international organization referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide".
- when Dan Christensen says someone has "confirmed" his lies that in fact the person will have exposed them.
Only Castro apologists and allies refer to the trade sanctions as "genocide" in their propaganda.
Most people stick to the facts:
What is a fact that Dan Christensen aka DCPROOF can't refute: none of
the quote he gives states any international organization like Amnesty
International, ... referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide".
He even hasn't been able to post ONE direct quote over the last TEN
same crappy lies, same facts as reply
As usual he just repeats his failed lies and excuses.
The standard reply to Dan's Genocide lie:
The 1948 Geneva Convention on Genocide article 2 is quoted in a very
misleading way by serial liar Dan Christensen:.
The text: (1)
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national,
ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The text requires that the acts listed under a-e have been committed
with "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical,
racial or religious group".
In the case of the US trade sanctions this is clearly not the case.
The USA is Cuba's 5th trading partner (2) and largest food supplier
Cuba depends on food imports for 80% of total food consumption and
84% of the food distributed in the rationing system in place since
These food imports total between 2 and 2.5 billion US dollars (5).
US provided in 2008 about a third of imported food in Cuba: over 700
million dollars and the US has soled over 4.4 billion dollars of food
since 2001 (6).
That means the US provided about 27% (80/3) of Cuba's food
in 2008 while the national agriculture only provided 20%.
Now: would a nation that wanted to destroy another nations' people
provide it with 27% of its food?
As far as the sale of medical products: Cuba purchased only 1.2
dollars in 2008, but in fact deals for a total of 143 million were
licensed by the US government. Cuba did not go through with 99% of
fully licensed deals. An expert stated that these were deliberate
political and economic decisions not to buy as Cuba prefers to get
goods for free(7).
Indeed: Cuba is in fact unable to pay for the imports its people
It has defaulted on various loans for years now (from way before the
financial crisis) and currently has not paid suppliers for over a
with debts standing at $ 1 billion. It has had to cut purchases of
from the US by 32% for 2009 (8).
The accusation of "genocide"is also rather hypocrite as the genocide
watchdog "Genocide Watch" has the Castro regime on its list of
regimes for its abuses against the people based on the same article 2
the convention (9).
(1) Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
Genocide, Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
- Prevent Genocide International
(2) Cuba's declining trade betrays depth of its crisis
"The United States, which is Cuba's fifth trading partner despite its
47-year-old trade embargo against the island, said sales to Cuba
$383.8 million through August, down 23 percent."
Cuba's declining trade betrays depth of its crisis | Reuters (20
(3)Reuteman: The Cuba question: To trade or not to trade?
"In 2005, the United States became the island's biggest food
Reuteman: The Cuba question: To trade or not to trade?
January 14, 2006
Cuba Pins Hopes On New Farms Run for Profit
Program Part of 'New Socialist Model'
"The United States, which has maintained a diplomatic deep freeze and
punishing economic blockade against the island for almost 50 years,
the island nation's largest supplier of food and agricultural
selling it an average of $350 million worth of beans, rice and frozen
chickens each year since 2001, when Congress created exceptions to
Cuba Pins Hopes on New For-Profit Farms - washingtonpost.com (28
In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency
is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the
of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
eastern region is 56.7 percent among children under 2 and 20.1
in children aged 2-5.
Support for the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia in
the Five Eastern Provinces of Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food
Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide
Cuba, with a population of a little over 11 million people, imports
about 80% of its domestic food requirements.
Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food Programme - Fighting Hunger
"Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba practicamente importa el 80 por ciento
de los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtioio pasado mas de
2000 millones de dolares."
Volveremos a los años '90?
Por Magaly Zamora Morejon (AIN)
Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18
"Asi en esta ciudad Magalys Calvo, viceministra de
Economia y Planificacion, durante una sesion de la Asamblea Provincial
El paiss importa anualmente el 84% de los alimentos destinados a la
canasta basica, por lo cual eroga unos mil millones de dolares, y
junto al petroleo el desembolso fundamental."
Necesita ia cubana aumentar produccion de alimentos
(5) Food imports
Cuba importa más de 80% de los alimentos que consume. La cuenta
ascenderá este año a $2.000 millones.
"Collective farm productivity is so bad, Cuba has been
forced to import over $2 billion a year in agricultural products."
ESR | October 12, 2009 | Cuba: Discovering personal independence (12
Ronald R. Cooke is the proprietor of The Cultural Economist. This is
first contribution to Enter Stage Right.
"Food imports cost 2.5 billion dollars in 2008, an amount the
wants to reduce."
Balancing Cuba's Lopsided Budget
October 16, 2009
By Patricia Grogg
Cuba importa el 80 por ciento de la comida que distribuye a la
a precios altamente subsidiados mediante la libreta. La factura de
alimentos llegó a 2.500 millones de dólares en el 2008.
Cuba recorta libreta de racionamiento - Yahoo! Noticias (6 November
(6) 2008 imports from the USA
"In 2008, Cuba imported from the USA US$ 710 million of food and
President Obama should take the lead on lifting embargo against Cuba
Amnesty International (9 November 2009)
Invertia.com - Cuba importó alimentos de EE.UU. por 4.400 millones de
dólares desde 2001 (9 August 2009)
(7) Medical exports
"The U.S. says it approved $142 million in commercial and donated
medical exports to the communist island in 2008. So why did less than
percent of it get there?"
"It's not the embargo," said John Kavulich, a senior policy adviser
the New York-based U.S.-Cuba Economic Trade Council, which provides
nonpartisan commercial and economic information about Cuba. "These
economic and political decisions not to buy."
Cuba often waits for allies to donate what it needs, Kavulich said.
"They'd rather get things for free than pay for them."
It's unclear why U.S. medical exports aren't reaching Cuba | News for
Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Headline | International News
(8)Cuba' financial problems and reduction of food purchases.
Atrapados en el «corralito» cubano (1 December 2009)
Los gobiernos extranjeros interceden para que los bancos cubanos
sus deudas con las empresas privadas
LA HABANA, 19 Nov. (Reuters/EP) -
THE CUBAN ECONOMY IN A WORLD OF UNCERTAINTY - Miscelaneas de Cuba
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports
July 21, 2009
HAVANA TIMES, July 20 - The Cuban government has decided to
expenditures in hard currency for imports, which will now be managed
by the individual ministries instead of a single centralized super
reported Mexico's La Jornada newspaper on Monday.
Nevertheless, the daily points out that the new measure does not
the fate of outstanding accounts that have not been paid to foreign
suppliers over the last seven months, estimated at around one billion
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports - Havana Times.org (21 July 2009)
Los exportadores valencianos llevan un año sin cobrar sus ventas a
- Valencia_Valencia - Valencia - ABC.es (15 July 2009)
Cuba tells creditors debt grew by $1.1 billion
Fri Sep 5, 2008 6:12pm EDT
By Marc Frank
Cuba can't pay debt to Russian bank
September 04, 2008
South Africa waives Cuban debt
Ambassador says Mexico will re-negotiate Cuban debt to improve
The Associated Press
Published: November 28, 2007
India agrees to waive $62 million in Cuban debt
"Cuban purchases of food from the United States will fall by at least
third this year as the island slashes imports to stabilise an ever-
economy further hammered by the global economic crisis, a top trade
official said Monday."
Jamaica Gleaner News - Cuba to buy less US food - Business -
November 18, 2009 (18 November 2009)
(9) Genocide Watch is the Coordinator of the International Campaign
Listing of the Castro regime:
Here are some pictures of children whose murder Dan Christensen
The names of the children whose killing Dan Christensen supports:
Angel René ABREU Ruiz, 3
Giselle (or Lisette) BORGES Alvarez, 4
José Carlos NIKEL Anaya, 3
Marjolís MENDEZ Tacoronte, 17
Yousel Eugenio PEREZ Tacoronte, 11
Caridad LEYVA Tacoronte, 4
Yasse (or Yasser) PERODIN Almanza, 11
The testimony of a child that survived the killings Dan Christensen
Posted on Wed, Jun. 01, 2005
ESCAPE FROM CUBA
`Our only luggage was hope'
BY SERGIO PERODIN JR.
Sergio Perodín Jr., a survivor of the 13 de Marzo tugboat massacre,
graduating from Coral Gables Senior High today.
The facts on Cuba's agriculture:
again Dan Christensen is trying to put words in other people's mouth
based on misquotes snipped the facts and the quote from Castro
confirming that Dan is no more than a desperate liar.
Another misquote to end the series.
all experts agree, Dan, that Cuba needs to reform its agriculture
before any increase in production is possible.
Even Raul Castro has admitted that.
"This is an effort to revitalize an agriculture sector hampered by
decades of government mismanagement" said Raul Castro.
(Yep even your political masters expose you - again - as the liar you
The problem is: for dogmatic reasons his market reforms are falling
far short of what is needed to revitalize food production even for the
Cuba, before Castro, was a net food exporter and can be that again
given structural reform as even your expert stated. No change in
regulation, no realization of potential.
"``The Cuban climate is very good, has good resources, and an
agricultural system with potential,'' Messina said. ``But the truth is
that we don't see big trends toward its development in terms of
a fact all experts agree on.
Land is not used or has a very low productivity.
The solution id to free the sector and allow for foreign investment, a
point Messina also made.
"La agricultura cubana requiere cambios urgentes
Oscar Espinosa Chepe
Currently Castro's "reforms"have only succeeded in reducing output.
"Cuban food output down despite agriculture reforms
By Marc Frank Marc Frank Tue Aug 3, 2:43 pm ET
LA ENTREGA DE TIERRAS, OTRO FRACASO ANUNCIADO DE LA POLITICA DE
REFORMAS DE RAUL CASTRO
Elias Amor Bravo
"Cuba: reduced imports, declining local production."
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