Re: Exposing Dan Christensen's "genocide" lie again



On 9/12/2011 1:46, CubaFAQ wrote:
On Dec 8, 9:46 am, PL<pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's abusive posting already debunked here, or
just too lame to bother with]

fails to quote any reputable international
organization referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide".

Like an old, unrepentant Nazi,
(snip)

You are the "Nazi" Dan Christensen aka DCPROOF.
You even support death squads.

Note that again Dan Christensen aka DCPROOF fails to post ANY quote from ANY reputable international organization calling the trade sanctions genocide.

All he comes up with his his own post-edited misquoted snippets.



what Dan Christensen snipped: snipped:

From:
http://los75.impela.net/
Los 75 de Cuba
Primavera Negra

Part of: The impela project Cuba
http://impela.net/

Former political prisoners of the Group of 75 Felix Navarro, Jose Daniel
Ferrer García and Angel Moya Acosta are still detained in units
police Matanzas and Santiago de Cuba, according to the
dissidents on the island

Three former political prisoners of the Group of 75 Still detained
Available with online translation at:
http://los75.impela.net/2011/12/continuan-detenidos-tres-ex-presos-politicos-del-grupo-de-los-75/

> And this support comes from a regime that continues to this day to
> inflict genocidal trade sanctions on their fellow Cubans.

Same "spam" lie Dan Christensen, same rply.

Exposing Dan Christensen's (aka DCPROOF) "genocide" lie as I have done so often.

Note that:
- Dan Christensen again fails to quote any reputable international organization referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide".
- when Dan Christensen says someone has "confirmed" his lies that in fact the person will have exposed them.

Only Castro apologists and allies refer to the trade sanctions as "genocide" in their propaganda.

Most people stick to the facts:

What is a fact that Dan Christensen aka DCPROOF can't refute: none of
the quote he gives states any international organization like Amnesty
International, ... referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide".
He even hasn't been able to post ONE direct quote over the last TEN
years.
same crappy lies, same facts as reply
As usual he just repeats his failed lies and excuses.

The standard reply to Dan's Genocide lie:

The 1948 Geneva Convention on Genocide article 2 is quoted in a very
misleading way by serial liar Dan Christensen:.
The text: (1)
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts
committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national,
ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
calculated
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The text requires that the acts listed under a-e have been committed
with "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical,
racial or religious group".
In the case of the US trade sanctions this is clearly not the case.
The USA is Cuba's 5th trading partner (2) and largest food supplier
(3).
Cuba depends on food imports for 80% of total food consumption and
for
84% of the food distributed in the rationing system in place since
1962 (4).
These food imports total between 2 and 2.5 billion US dollars (5).
The
US provided in 2008 about a third of imported food in Cuba: over 700
million dollars and the US has soled over 4.4 billion dollars of food
since 2001 (6).
That means the US provided about 27% (80/3) of Cuba's food
consumption
in 2008 while the national agriculture only provided 20%.
Now: would a nation that wanted to destroy another nations' people
provide it with 27% of its food?
No.
As far as the sale of medical products: Cuba purchased only 1.2
million
dollars in 2008, but in fact deals for a total of 143 million were
duly
licensed by the US government. Cuba did not go through with 99% of
the
fully licensed deals. An expert stated that these were deliberate
political and economic decisions not to buy as Cuba prefers to get
the
goods for free(7).
Indeed: Cuba is in fact unable to pay for the imports its people
needs.
It has defaulted on various loans for years now (from way before the
financial crisis) and currently has not paid suppliers for over a
year
with debts standing at $ 1 billion. It has had to cut purchases of
food
from the US by 32% for 2009 (8).
The accusation of "genocide"is also rather hypocrite as the genocide
watchdog "Genocide Watch" has the Castro regime on its list of
genocidal
regimes for its abuses against the people based on the same article 2
of
the convention (9).
(1) Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
Genocide
Genocide, Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of
-
- Prevent Genocide International
http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm
(2) Cuba's declining trade betrays depth of its crisis
"The United States, which is Cuba's fifth trading partner despite its
47-year-old trade embargo against the island, said sales to Cuba
totaled
$383.8 million through August, down 23 percent."
Cuba's declining trade betrays depth of its crisis | Reuters (20
October
2009)
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Cuba/idUSTRE59J5A620091020?sp=true
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/10/cubas-declining-trade-betrays-depth-of.....html
(3)Reuteman: The Cuba question: To trade or not to trade?
"In 2005, the United States became the island's biggest food
supplier."
Reuteman: The Cuba question: To trade or not to trade?
January 14, 2006
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_82_4387989,00.html

http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2006/01/cuba-question-to-trade-or-not-to-trade.....html

Cuba Pins Hopes On New Farms Run for Profit
Program Part of 'New Socialist Model'
"The United States, which has maintained a diplomatic deep freeze and
a
punishing economic blockade against the island for almost 50 years,
is
the island nation's largest supplier of food and agricultural
products,
selling it an average of $350 million worth of beans, rice and frozen
chickens each year since 2001, when Congress created exceptions to
the
trade ban."
Cuba Pins Hopes on New For-Profit Farms - washingtonpost.com (28
September 2009)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/27/AR2009092703316.html
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/09/cuba-pins-hopes-on-new-farms-run-for.html

(4) WFP:
In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency
anaemia
is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the
Institute
of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
eastern region is 56.7 percent among children under 2 and 20.1
percent
in children aged 2-5.
Support for the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia in
the Five Eastern Provinces of Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food
Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide
http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba
Cuba, with a population of a little over 11 million people, imports
about 80% of its domestic food requirements.
Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food Programme - Fighting Hunger
Worldwide
http://www.wfp.org/countries/cuba
"Tengamos en cuenta que Cuba practicamente importa el 80 por ciento
de los alimentos que consume, para lo cual invirtioio pasado mas de
2000 millones de dolares."
Volveremos a los años '90?
Por Magaly Zamora Morejon (AIN)
Martes, 30 de Junio de 2009 14:18
http://www.invasor.cu/index.php/es/sociedad/325-ivolveremos-a-los-anos-90
"Asi en esta ciudad Magalys Calvo, viceministra de
Economia y Planificacion, durante una sesion de la Asamblea Provincial
del
Poder Popular.
El paiss importa anualmente el 84% de los alimentos destinados a la
canasta basica, por lo cual eroga unos mil millones de dolares, y
es
junto al petroleo el desembolso fundamental."
Necesita ia cubana aumentar produccion de alimentos
http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/2007/02/26/nacional/artic02.html
(5) Food imports
2 billion:
Cuba importa más de 80% de los alimentos que consume. La cuenta
ascenderá este año a $2.000 millones.
http://www.eluniversal.com/2008/05/28/int_art_raul-castro-exige-ma_880690.shtml
"Collective farm productivity is so bad, Cuba has been
forced to import over $2 billion a year in agricultural products."
ESR | October 12, 2009 | Cuba: Discovering personal independence (12
October 2009)
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1009/1009cubapersind.htm
Ronald R. Cooke is the proprietor of The Cultural Economist. This is
his
first contribution to Enter Stage Right.
2.5 billion:
"Food imports cost 2.5 billion dollars in 2008, an amount the
government
wants to reduce."
Balancing Cuba's Lopsided Budget
October 16, 2009
By Patricia Grogg
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=15083
Cuba importa el 80 por ciento de la comida que distribuye a la
población
a precios altamente subsidiados mediante la libreta. La factura de
alimentos llegó a 2.500 millones de dólares en el 2008.
Cuba recorta libreta de racionamiento - Yahoo! Noticias (6 November
2009)
http://espanol.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/091105/latinoamerica/latinoamerica_alimentos_cuba_1
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/11/cuba-recorta-libreta-de-racionamiento.html
(6) 2008 imports from the USA
"In 2008, Cuba imported from the USA US$ 710 million of food and
agricultural products"
President Obama should take the lead on lifting embargo against Cuba
|
Amnesty International (9 November 2009)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/president-obama-should-take-lead-lifting-embargo-against-cuba-20090902
Invertia.com - Cuba importó alimentos de EE.UU. por 4.400 millones de
dólares desde 2001 (9 August 2009)
http://www.invertia.com/noticias/noticia.asp?subclasid=&clasid=&idNoticia=2194204
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/08/cuba-importo-alimentos-de-eeuu-por-4400.html
(7) Medical exports
"The U.S. says it approved $142 million in commercial and donated
medical exports to the communist island in 2008. So why did less than
1
percent of it get there?"
"It's not the embargo," said John Kavulich, a senior policy adviser
at
the New York-based U.S.-Cuba Economic Trade Council, which provides
nonpartisan commercial and economic information about Cuba. "These
are
economic and political decisions not to buy."
Cuba often waits for allies to donate what it needs, Kavulich said.
"They'd rather get things for free than pay for them."
It's unclear why U.S. medical exports aren't reaching Cuba | News for
Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Headline | International News
(5
December 2009)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-embargo_05int.ART.State.Edition1.4bbb4d0.html
(8)Cuba' financial problems and reduction of food purchases.
Atrapados en el «corralito» cubano (1 December 2009)
http://www.lne.es/opinion/2009/12/01/atrapados-corralito-cubano-br/841805.html
Los gobiernos extranjeros interceden para que los bancos cubanos
paguen
sus deudas con las empresas privadas
LA HABANA, 19 Nov. (Reuters/EP) -
http://www.europapress.es/latam/cuba/noticia-cuba-gobiernos-extranjeros-interceden-bancos-cubanos-paguen-deudas-empresas-privadas-20091119214214.html

THE CUBAN ECONOMY IN A WORLD OF UNCERTAINTY - Miscelaneas de Cuba
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/article.asp?artID=22961
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports
July 21, 2009
HAVANA TIMES, July 20 - The Cuban government has decided to
decentralize
expenditures in hard currency for imports, which will now be managed
by the individual ministries instead of a single centralized super
account,
reported Mexico's La Jornada newspaper on Monday.
Nevertheless, the daily points out that the new measure does not
state
the fate of outstanding accounts that have not been paid to foreign
suppliers over the last seven months, estimated at around one billion
USD
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports - Havana Times.org (21 July 2009)
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=12010
Los exportadores valencianos llevan un año sin cobrar sus ventas a
Cuba
- Valencia_Valencia - Valencia - ABC.es (15 July 2009)
http://www.abc.es/20090715/valencia-valencia/exportadores-valencianos-llevan-cobrar-20090715.html
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2009/07/los-exportadores-valencianos-ll...
Cuba tells creditors debt grew by $1.1 billion
Fri Sep 5, 2008 6:12pm EDT
By Marc Frank
http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0519102820080905?sp=true
Cuba can't pay debt to Russian bank
September 04, 2008
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/cuban_colada/2008/09/cuba-cant-pay-d.html
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2008/09/cuba-cant-pay-debt-to-russian-b...
South Africa waives Cuban debt
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9qVm5DSX4lG_HOpc3fZ4oLSO59g
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2008/04/south-africa-waives-cuban-debt.html
Ambassador says Mexico will re-negotiate Cuban debt to improve
relations
The Associated Press
Published: November 28, 2007
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/29/news/CB-GEN-Cuba-Mexico.php
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2007/11/ambassador-says-mexico-will-re....
India agrees to waive $62 million in Cuban debt
http://www.thehindu.com/2007/04/13/stories/2007041303361200.htm
http://cubafacts.blogspot.com/2007/04/india-agrees-to-waive-62-million-in.html
"Cuban purchases of food from the United States will fall by at least
a
third this year as the island slashes imports to stabilise an ever-
weak
economy further hammered by the global economic crisis, a top trade
official said Monday."
Jamaica Gleaner News - Cuba to buy less US food - Business -
Wednesday
|
November 18, 2009 (18 November 2009)
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091118/business/business6.html
(9) Genocide Watch is the Coordinator of the International Campaign
to
End Genocide
http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutus/missionstatement.html
Listing of the Castro regime:
http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Genocide_08_Genocides_and_Politicides_since_1945_with_stages_in_2008.pdf

Here are some pictures of children whose murder Dan Christensen
supported:

http://www.cubaverdad.net/13_de_marzo.htm

The names of the children whose killing Dan Christensen supports:

Angel René ABREU Ruiz, 3
Giselle (or Lisette) BORGES Alvarez, 4
José Carlos NIKEL Anaya, 3
Marjolís MENDEZ Tacoronte, 17
Yousel Eugenio PEREZ Tacoronte, 11
Caridad LEYVA Tacoronte, 4
Yasse (or Yasser) PERODIN Almanza, 11


The testimony of a child that survived the killings Dan Christensen
supports:

Posted on Wed, Jun. 01, 2005
ESCAPE FROM CUBA
`Our only luggage was hope'
BY SERGIO PERODIN JR.
sergiopero...@xxxxxxx

Sergio Perodín Jr., a survivor of the 13 de Marzo tugboat massacre,
is
graduating from Coral Gables Senior High today.

Original link:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/11783845.htm
Permanent link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/15952


The facts on Cuba's agriculture:

again Dan Christensen is trying to put words in other people's mouth
based on misquotes snipped the facts and the quote from Castro
confirming that Dan is no more than a desperate liar.
Another misquote to end the series.

all experts agree, Dan, that Cuba needs to reform its agriculture
before any increase in production is possible.
Even Raul Castro has admitted that.

"This is an effort to revitalize an agriculture sector hampered by
decades of government mismanagement" said Raul Castro.
http://www.meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/280810/cuba___more_land_for_small_farmers_.aspx
(Yep even your political masters expose you - again - as the liar you
are)

The problem is: for dogmatic reasons his market reforms are falling
far short of what is needed to revitalize food production even for the
local people.
Cuba, before Castro, was a net food exporter and can be that again
given structural reform as even your expert stated. No change in
regulation, no realization of potential.

"``The Cuban climate is very good, has good resources, and an
agricultural system with potential,'' Messina said. ``But the truth is
that we don't see big trends toward its development in terms of
regulation.''"

http://www.miamiherald.com/2009/09/29/1258504/cubas-agriculture-shows-promise.html

a fact all experts agree on.
Land is not used or has a very low productivity.
The solution id to free the sector and allow for foreign investment, a
point Messina also made.

"La agricultura cubana requiere cambios urgentes
Oscar Espinosa Chepe
http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/year2010/agosto2010/12_C_5.html";
http://cubafaq.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/la-agricultura-cubana-requiere-cambios-urgentes/

Currently Castro's "reforms"have only succeeded in reducing output.

"Cuban food output down despite agriculture reforms
Reuters
By Marc Frank Marc Frank Tue Aug 3, 2:43 pm ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100803/wl_nm/us_cuba_food";
http://cubafaq.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/cuban-food-output-down-despite-agriculture-reforms/


LA ENTREGA DE TIERRAS, OTRO FRACASO ANUNCIADO DE LA POLITICA DE
REFORMAS DE RAUL CASTRO
21-08-2010.
Elias Amor Bravo
Economista ULC
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/article.asp?artID=29484";
http://cubafaq.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/la-entrega-de-tierras-otro-fracaso-anunciado-de-la-politica-de-reformas-de-raul-castro/


See:
"Cuba: reduced imports, declining local production."
http://cubafood.blogspot.com/p/food-in-cuba-today.html
and the news at:
http://cubafood.blogspot.com/
.



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