Re: U.S. funds for, ahem... "democracy programs" in Cuba



As usual, the cowardly apologist, PL, is reduced to his same old snip-
and-tactics, and mindlessly repeating his failed lies and
rationalizations word-for-word, desperately hoping that no one has
noticed.

In summary:

The cowardly PL cannot deny that sanctions such his beloved embargo
would result in the deaths and needless suffering of children and
other vulnerable groups. He can't deny it, so he just snips and runs
away.

As PL himself has confirmed in the past, his "di$$dent" groups have so
little public support that they would not even exist without US
bankrolling.

The cowardly PL also cannot deny that the crimes of the US regime
against the Cuban people, as documented by Amnesty International, are
deliberate acts, the only purpose of which can be to bring about
physical destruction of the Cuban people in whole or in part. As such,
these cruel sanctions can indeed be seen as a form of genocide under
international law! He cannot deny, it so he just snips and runs away
in terror!

Anyway, if you are simply going to keep snipping and running, and
repeating yourself like this like this, and have nothing new and
relevant to add, do not expect a reply from me on these matters, Mr.
Lobbyist.


On Jun 9, 12:02 pm, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or just too
lame to bother with]

Two members of Congress have freed $15 million for pro-democracy
programs in Cuba, but are still blocking $2.6 million for a contractor
whose employee is jailed in Havana, according to Washington officials.

Killing Cuban children is certainly an odd way of promoting any kind
of "democracy,"(snip)

the Castro regime is the only one killing children Dan Christensen.

[snipping more of PL's self-serving lies and rationalizations]
(snip)

What the cowardly apologist PL snipped for all too obvious reasons and
refuses to address:

Still in denial, I see. OK, let's try this one more time, Mr.
Lobbyist....

Amnesty International (see footnotes) has recently reported:
'
"The US government is acting CONTRARY to the Charter of the United
Nations by restricting the direct import of medicine and medical
equipment and supplies, and by imposing those restrictions on
companies operating in third countries...."

“The RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO help to deprive Cuba of vital
access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food,
chemical water treatment and electricity.”

"The US embargo against Cuba is IMMORAL and should be lifted. It’s
preventing millions of Cubans from benefiting from vital medicines and
medical equipment essential for their health."

One more time... Do you deny that such sanctions would lead to the
deaths and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable groups?
Forget your cowardly snip-and-run tactics. (PL has snipped and run
away in terror from this question literally hundreds of times now!)
Forget trying to change the subject with your bizarre tales of
tugboats racing around in circles creating whirlpools supposedly to
drown people (a physical impossibility). If you have nothing to hide,
be a man for once, stand up for what you REALLY believe, and just
answer the question.


The facts Dan Christensen snipped:

[snipping PL's same old Nazi-style lies and rationalizations]

Very evasive, Mr. Lobbyist. But thanks for confirming that even a die-
hard apologist like you cannot deny that such sanctions would result
in the deaths and needless suffering of children and other vulnerable
groups. Whatever it takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?


What the cowardly apologist snipped for all too obvious reasons:

"To be able to function they [Cuban dissidents](snip)


What the cowardly apologist snipped for all too obvious reasons
AGAIN!:

"To be able to function they [Cuban dissidents] need aid...They can
only function with international help... The US aid gives them the
means to survive."
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3b60f00005050898?h

[...]

And just how is any of this irrelevant? Are you actually claiming that
it is only these so-called "journalists" (like your favourite
blogger?) among your dissident pals who are dependent on US
bankrolling? Don't just snip and run away from this question, as you
have done so many times here. Just answer the question.

actually I posted the full context.

[snip]

Actually it shows that you lied (see my previous posting). Once again,
it seems you have painted yourself into a corner. Cowardly apologist
that you are, you can only snip and run away in terror. What a loser!


This has been confirmed by none other than Statement Department
veteran and former head of the US Interests Section in Havana, Wayne
Smith:

(snip)

What the cowardly lobbyist snipped for obvious reasons:

This has been confirmed by none other than Statement Department
veteran and former head of the US Interests Section in Havana, Wayne
Smith:

"Since 1985, we have stated publicly that we will encourage and openly
finance dissident and human rights groups in Cuba; this, too, is in
our interests. The United States isn't financing all those groups--
only the ones that are best known internationally.

"Those dissidents and human rights groups in Cuba--that are nothing
but a few people--are only important to the extent that they serve us
in a single cause: that of destabilizing Fidel Castro's regime."

Source: Hernando Calvo and Katlijn Declercq, "The Cuban Exile
Movement, Dissidents or Mercenaries," p. 156, Ocean Press, 2000

If your dissident pals can secretly get all these millions of dollars
and advanced spy equipment all the way from Miami or Washington, why
can't they secretly get money from their neighbours next door or
across the street? The obvious answer is a complete lack of public
support for these paid agents of the US regime, a hostile foreign
power that continues to this day to inflict genocidal trade sanctions
on their fellow Cubans. It is little wonder that they are widely seen
on the island as traitors.


Nope it isn't as you have been unable to give even one link to the quote.

It's a book, idiot!(snip)

What the cowardly lobbyist, PL, snipped for obvious reasons:

It's a book, idiot! A ground-breaking book published 10 years ago,
without so much a single retraction by the publisher or anyone
interviewed in it.


a book by Castro apologists that is nowhere confirmed in any other media.

[snip]

You yourself have confirmed it, Mr. Lobbyist. (See above.) Also,
unlike you, Hernando Calvo is no "apologist." He is a renowned
investigative journalist from Colombia who has repeatedly exposed the
workings of US-backed death squads in his country. No wonder you hate
him!

But thanks for confirming you cannot cite even one source that can
refute anything he wrote. And thanks for confirming that even you
cannot deny that your "di$$ident" groups have so little public support
that they are completely dependent on foreign, mostly US bankrolling.

you have proved by failing to post even ONE quote from a reputable
international organization referring to the trade sanctions as
"genocide".

As we see above, Amnesty International

(snip)


What the cowardly lobbyist, PL, snipped for all too obvious reasons
and refuses to address:

As we see above, Amnesty International has condemned your beloved
embargo in the strongest possible language, and all but called for the
arrests of the perpetrators of these crimes (and those complicit...
Mr. Lobbyist!)

And Article 2c of the UN Genocide Convention states that the crime of
genocide includes, among other things, "deliberately inflicting on the
group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
destruction in whole or in part."

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/genocide.htm

Again, as Amnesty International has reported, “The restrictions
imposed by the embargo help to deprive Cuba of vital access to
medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food, chemical water
treatment and electricity.” These are deliberate acts, the only
purpose of which can be to bring about physical destruction of the
Cuban people in whole or in part. As such, these cruel sanctions can
indeed be seen as a form of genocide under international law!

what we all see is that neither Amnesty international nor any reputable
international organization has EVER referred to the trade sanctions as
"genocide" Mr. serial Liar.

Already debunked here. (See above.)

Be a man for once, Mr. Lobbyist, and stand up for what your REALLY
believe. We know it has absolutely NOTHING to do with "human rights,"
don't we?

Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://tiny.cc/CubaFAQ
(Note new address. Please update your bookmarks and links.)

PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me, and to his
lies and evasions on everything from his lobbying exploits to the
international condemnation of his beloved embargo, see: "PL's same
tired old lies and evasions EXPOSED" at
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/36c96cf26743ccca?hl=en

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Footnotes (which the cowardly apologist, PL, keeps snipping and
refusing to address)

The facts as documented in reports recently released by Amnesty
International (my emphasis):

March 2009

"Amnesty International urges the US government to lift the nearly five-
decade long economic and trade embargo against Cuba as it is
detrimental to the fulfillment of the economic and social rights of
the Cuban people. It OBSTRUCTS AND CONSTRAINS efforts by the Cuban
government to purchase essential medicines, medical equipment and
supplies, food and agricultural products, construction materials and
access to new technologies.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/002/2009/en/e7b1efe4-27f4-4b2c-9a39-23c88749e39e/amr250022009en.html

September 2009

"The US embargo against Cuba is IMMORAL and should be lifted. It’s
preventing millions of Cubans from benefiting from vital medicines and
medical equipment essential for their health."

"Because of the US embargo, Cuba faces SEVERE RESTRICTIONS in
importing medicines, medical equipment or technologies from the USA or
from any US company abroad. The sanctions also limit other imports to
the island and restrict travel and the transfer of money."

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/president-obama-should-take-lead-lifting-embargo-against-cuba-20090902

"Amnesty International calls on the US Congress to take, WITHOUT
FURTHER DELAY, the necessary steps towards lifting the economic,
financial and trade embargo against Cuba...

"The US government is acting CONTRARY to the Charter of the United
Nations by restricting the direct import of medicine and medical
equipment and supplies, and by imposing those restrictions on
companies operating in third countries."

"The UN General Assembly has repeatedly CONDEMNED the US embargo as
contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and international law.
On 29 October 2008 the UN General Assembly passed a resolution
reiterating for the 17th time its call on the USA to end its embargo
against Cuba. That resolution was adopted with 185 votes in favour,
three against and two abstentions. The Inter-American Commission on
Human Rights has also reiterated its position regarding “the impact of
such sanctions on the human rights of the Cuban people and, therefore,
INSISTS THAT THE EMBARGO BE LIFTED.”

[Follow-up: In November 2009, with the exceptions of only the USA,
Israel and a handful of tiny, US island-colonies in the South Pacific,
representatives of EVERY nation on the planet voted at the UN General
Assembly to condemn these cruel and inhumane sanctions.]

"[E]xports of food and agricultural products to Cuba remain regulated
by the Department of Commerce and require a licence for export or re-
export. The export of medicines and medical supplies continues to be
SEVERELY LIMITED....

“The RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO help to deprive Cuba of vital
access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food,
chemical water treatment and electricity.”

"The provision of health care has suffered from the LIMITATIONS AND
RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO on the procurement of basic and
specialized medical equipment and chemical components needed for the
production of generic medicines....

"Cuba was UNABLE TO IMPORT nutritional products destined for children
and for consumption at schools, hospitals and day care centres. This
had an adverse effect on the health and nutritional status of the
population.

"Children’s health was also put at risk by a decision from syringe
suppliers to CANCEL an order for 3 million disposable syringes by
UNICEF’s Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization when it became
known that the units were destined for the implementation of the
programme in Cuba.

"The number of children suffering from heart conditions who are
waiting for appropriate treatment at a pediatric hospital has
increased after Cuba was unable to buy from the US-based companies the
necessary medical equipment for their treatment. The companies
allegedly refused to negotiate with Cuba because of the RESTRICTIONS
SET BY THE US EMBARGO.

"LACK OF ACCESS to products manufactured by United States companies
such as St. Jude Medical, Boston Scientific and Amplatzer prevents the
provision of proper care to seriously ill patients who need a
pacemaker, St. Jude prosthetic valves or septal occluders, forcing
their treatment with alternative, riskier surgical techniques.

"It has been IMPOSSIBLE TO PURCHASE a positron emission tomography/
computerized tomography (PET/CT) scanner, a state-of-the-art piece of
medical equipment needed for treatment that is made by only three
manufacturers worldwide, all unauthorized to negotiate with Cuba."

The impact of economic sanctions on health and health services is not
limited to difficulties in the supply of medicine. Health and health
services depend on functioning water and sanitation infrastructure, on
electricity and other functioning equipment such as X-ray facilities
or refrigerators to store vaccines. The financial burden and
commercial barriers have led to shortages or intermittent availability
of drugs, medicines, equipment and spare parts. It has also hindered
the renovation of hospitals, clinics and care centres for the elderly.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/540b61a6-d0ec-493b-84c4-372a0b3c5067/amr250072009en.html

http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/51469f8b-73f8-47a2-a5bd-f839adf50488/amr250072009eng.pdf
(PDF format)

Note that Article 2c of the UN Genocide Convention states that the
crime of genocide includes, among other things, "deliberately
inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about
its physical destruction in whole or in part."

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/genocide.htm

Again, as Amnesty International has reported, “The restrictions
imposed by the embargo help to deprive Cuba of vital access to
medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food, chemical water
treatment and electricity.” These are deliberate acts, the only
purpose of which can be to bring about physical destruction of the
Cuban people in whole or in part. These cruel sanctions can,
therefore, even be seen as a form of genocide under international law!
Makes you proud, don't it, America?
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