Re: OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE CONFIRMS -- Norway signs an agreement with the Cuban ministry of Foreign Trade to fund aid in Haiti
- From: PL <pl.nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:45:03 +0100
Dan Christensen wrote:
Reduced once again to mindlessly repeating (snip)
You mean facts and your personal insults won't change that.
Stop calling other people "Nazi" hypocrite.
you are the only one with Nazi attitudes:
You support a regime that:
- is on the list of genocide Watch:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm
- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the
past: the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm
more about the UMAP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- tortures opponents:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/torture_in_cuba.htm
- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm
- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- burns books - like the Nazi regime
- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated
system of
social control - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
...................
and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In
this
case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.....................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send
death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia.
Again, the
actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called
dissidents seem
quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the
circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
Unquote
What desperate Dan Snipped in despair
Indeed.
Your lies keep coming.
In this message you claim Cuba can't buy any medicines and equipment
because of the "embargo"
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3956aa019e60fcaf?hl=nl&dmode=source
which you repeat here.
and here you claim Cuba can buy medicines and equipment as easily if
not better than Cuba.
Figure out which lie you want to go with, Dan.
You are such a "delightful apologist" as you always expose you own
lies.
What a joke you are.
On Feb 21, 5:27 am, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:(snip)
[snipping portions of PL's pathetic posting already debunked here, or
just too lame to bother with]
I just expose your lies.
You mean you just expose your own lies,(snip)
nope.
Yours
repeating you failed propaganda to divert attention won't change the facts, Dan.[snip](snip)- Dan claims the money is for Cuba buy medicines and equipment whileA blatant lie. As Amnesty International itself recently reported:
having claimed for years Cuba is unable to do so [...]
“The RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE EMBARGO help to deprive Cuba of vital
access to medicines, new scientific and medical technology, food,
chemical water treatment and electricity.”http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/007/2009/en/51469f8b-73...
(PDF format)
So no genocide as Cuba has clear and other suppliers.
STILL in denial(snip)
What PL also snipped(snip)
Nope.
Exposing you as the hypocrite propaganda liar you are.
You mean exposing your support for the US killing of Cuban children.
Never happened, just your lies as you admitted when you said Cuba can buy any medicines it needs if it has cash.
For years you claim Cuba can't buy any medicines and equipment
[snip]
Please post a link to anywhere were I made such a claim. (snip)
Even in this thread, Dan.
you claim Cuba can't get equipment, medicines, syringes, ...
So you now admit that Cuba can buy all the medicines it needs and that there is no genocide.
OK
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/d78188b4171fc313/e31b4c823c8433f5?lnk=gst&q=embrago+medicines+genocide+author%3A+Dan+Christensen#e31b4c823c8433f5
I have shown with a link that this applies to Haiti.We are STILL waiting for your proof that this applies to Haiti(snip)You mean like Venezuela and South Africa that pay Cuba for doctors inCash to Cuba for anything else than "operational expenses" makes no[snip]
sense at all as Dan Christensen basically said himself.
Governments of all political stripes know that any donations to Cuban
medical missions (snip)
other countries.
Those "medical missions "are in fact trade as the ILO confirmed.
"A distinction is usually made between the short-term temporary flows
which occur when countries such as China and Cuba send health
personnel
abroad to earn foreign exchange"
See:http://www.ilo.org/public/english/dialogue/sector/papers/health/wp209....
Please post the link.(snip)
Posted.
Right here:It wasn't "free of charge", all under a paying agreement.Deny it if you want to look like a complete idiot, but sending 330[Quote](snip)
More than 330 Cuban doctors and other health workers were living in
Haiti when the earthquake struck.
as I have shown under an agreement for Haiti had to get funding from
third countries.
No aid.
doctors and other health workers to Haiti free of charge (snip)
Post your proof.
`I hope the meeting sends a signal to our other partner countries,
because Haiti will need financial assistance to put some of these
programmes into practice,'' Dessources said."
Cuba to send more doctors to Haiti under aid pacthttp://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg01926.html
Nothing here to support your outrageous claims.(snip)
false.
It states Haiti needed funding for the programs.
Wouldn't need that if free.
Money is needed for medicines, equipment, supplies, facilities, non-(snip)
medical staff, etc.
and in the case of Cuba for the services of the doctors.
the rest has to be supplied by the host country in medical service
contracts.
In Haiti and other poorer countries, Cuba supplies medical service
free of charge. (snip)
Post your proof.
I have shown Zimbabwe, Mail, Haiti pay (often with aid money that goes to Cuba).
Nope."I think medical services will have replaced tourism as our most[snip]
important source of revenue in 2005," said Garcia, who directs the
Cuban
Economy Study Center at Havana University.
This refers to services provided to richer countries l(snip)
I refers to all countries including basket cases like Zimbabwe.
Post your proof. We know you can't.
False:
from the ILo to the press:
"A distinction is usually made between the short-term temporary flows
which occur when countries such as China and Cuba send health
personnel
abroad to earn foreign exchange"
See:
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/dialogue/sector/papers/health/wp209.pdf
Cuba's medical missions making money for cash-strapped island
By Ruth Morris
Havana Bureau
December 18, 2005
Copyright © 2005, South Florida Sun-Sentinel
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/cuba/sfl-amedmission18dec18,0,4330311.story?coll=sfla-news-cuba
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2005/12/cubas-medical-missions-making-money.html
Zimbabwe:
"The income to Castro's purse from this "doctor diplomacy" in Zimbabwe alone is estimated at $1.2 million (U.S.) per month."
Gaither C. Diserción en Zimbabwe empaña la "diplomacia médica" de Castro. El Nuevo Herald, June, 12, 2000.
Malawi:
The ministry's Director of International Corporation Joseph Chite told the Public Accounts Committee recently that the agreement to have students from Malawi trained in various fields in Cuba has turned out to be expensive for Malawi and the students suffer in Cuba because they are not well
looked after.
He said the Cuba demands that the Malawi pays fees for its students, many of whom were sent to study medicine, information technology and athletics but the Cuban government demands that the expatriates Cuba sends to Malawi be fully paid by the Malawi government.
Chite was answering a question from PAC members who wanted to know how the bilateral agreement with the government of Cuba was working.
"Malawi is not utilizing the agreement because the situation on the ground is different. We are even thinking of withdrawing the remaining student in Cuba because the conditions he is living is are very pathetic ," Chite said.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/26293
(snip)(snip)Post your proof. We know you can't. As usual, you are simply making this up as you go.Without a doubt, the money will be well spent helping the Haitian people. (snip)"funding operations" by Cubans will mean a large part will remain in
Cuba to pay for the doctors, ...
the text is clear, Dan, a trade deal for cash to fund operations.
[snip]
The text is indeed clear
yep.
Xinhua and Juventud Rebelde (Cuban / communist sources) are very clear: find operations.
The facts are clear, Dan, cash is the common factor.
Lack of cash is why Cuba can't buy medicines and equipment for the
people.
cash for its survival is why Cuba wanted a trade deal for cash with
Norway and not plane loads of goods .
THE STANDARD REPLY TO DAN'S LIES AND PERSONAL INSULTS.
(posted in reply every time the frustrated Castro apologist Dan
Christensen admits he has lost the argument by turning to venomous
lies and personal insults)
again Dan Christensen shows what a hypocrite liar he is.
He is the one doing the "attacking" with his lies and slander.
As all can see I only post this piece that exposes his lies when he
has started his slanderous attacks.
That by the way is in general within a couple of exchanges on the
facts of the case involved as by then he is so stuck that he has to
resort to lies and insults.
Please note that lies combined with personal attacks only destroy
your credibility, Dan.
Dan Christensen knows I am not a lobbyist and that it is all just a
slander campaign.
As a good follower of Goebbels he keeps repeating his lies in the hope
that something will stick and that he maybe can mislead some people
that
don't know what he is all about.
Desperate Dan Is doing his bit in the slander campaign of the "rat
pack"
he is associated with. The contribution of his pals at the Centre
Ernesto Che Guevara in this group recently just shows what Dan and his
cronies are all about: lies, insults, slander and intimidation.
Actually: given your actions in the past Dan you fit the lobbyist
profile a lot closer.
You contact people in support of the Cuban regime and with the aim to
have them change the content of their website or change public
statements. You even pose as a "journalist" or "researcher" while
doing so.
The fact that you have been utterly unsuccessful at it and that only
your website suffered the removal of pages just shows what a bad
lobbyist you are.
Your Club Med, lobbying, CIA lies are exposed again
Links to the threads Dan produces his "lobbyist" misquotes from and
the exposure of his lies by others:
For those that want to see the full thread and the complete messages
in their context (which Dan Christensen desperately hopes nobody will
as it will expose his lies), here is a link to the threads concerned.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/5fb621a1396ecc6c/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?hl=3D3Den=3DE0=3DA8=3DAAf5eb5bd1c2ed
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/56e1a7b9ca6c61e3/9cfde811fd6c7414?#9cfde811fd6c7414
To Dan Christensen's great frustration his lies by now have been
exposed by various other people in other threads like:
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ac34bd501ab58b97?dmode=3D3Dsource
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda
Dan Christensen lied when he claimed I had stated that I had been at
Club Med in Varadero - a hotel he tried to depict as a sleazy sex
resort - to "lobby" people.
Just one example:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/4b7720708da65ee0?dmode=3D3Dsource
Dan Christensen even suggested the whole trip was paid for by the CIA
thereby accusing Belgian officials of not only sexual impropriety, but
also of active corruption.
You see: Dan Christensen just doesn't know when to stop lying and gets
caught up in his "cloak and dagger" childish fantasies.
His lies are so over the top that it all become a big joke that people
can easily see though.
Here is one example of how serial liar Dan Christensen was exposed.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda?dmode=3D3Dsource
The lies of Dan Christensen about me that were exposed:
- his lie about me playing golf to "lobby": exposed. Dan Christensen
had to admit there were no quotes to support any of that.
- his lie about singles resorts and schmoozing: exposed as various
people stated that it is merely a family resort that even had a circus
school for children
- his lie about me being in Varadero: exposed as Dan Christensen had
to admit I never said I was there
- his lie that it were all "CIA junkets" exposed as Dan Christensen
ran like hell when he realized that this lie could expose him to legal
sanctions
- his lie that I had "self-confessed" anything: exposed by people that
put the snippets Dan Christensen abusively posts in context (as shown
in this message)
All Dan Christensen's lies have been exposed by various people.
as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
Your record of lies, innuendo, insults and support of human rights
abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.
The exposure of the "lobbyist" lie in further detail.
Dan Christensen's abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over
again. He just aped the lie of another apologist that dropped that
specific lie very quickly. The guy is indeed smarter than stupid Dan.
When Dan Christensen tried to come up with his own "new and
improved" version of the lie he fell flat on his face.
He claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while his Rat Pack
pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP address from
which I had posted something that I was in Santiago de Cuba at the
time. One Rat Pack member exposing another's lies with the result of
his cyber stalking. Ironic.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=3D3Dg:thl174670614d&dq=3D3D&hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8
Again it is clear what a pathetic loser Dan Christensen is.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an
"independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with "local knowledge". In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often
forgot to keep up the pretense and made him show his hand and true
nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures. In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in
the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are
morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtxMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..) in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
Dan Christensen once claimed:
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3D3Dsource&hl=3D3Den
Mr. Smith's own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,''
Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: acting with a third
person I had pages removed (for violations of law, slander, ...), I
have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...) and I have in general exposed
the lies on it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
now moved to:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/danchristienses/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3D3DENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience
(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
end of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers
democracy" under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care
about a third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably
to make himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his
complete propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by
unsurmountable institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine) and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net ) and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" real name François Valy was sentenced to 6 months
in
jail for a whole series of abuses (including racism). A Spanish
"subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to: those that don't
have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the liars they are.
When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure as Dan Christensen
does here every time.
Fine by me.
PL
"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is
why it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla
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