Ordinary Cubans confront di$$idents

On Dec 23, 3:19 pm, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or just too
lame to bother with]

> The ANC was supported politically and financially by South African
> workers.
and by foreign backers.
[snip]
Without the political and financial support of South African workers,
(snip)

What the cowardly PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

Without the political and financial support of South African workers,

(snip)

The ANC was illegal and lived of international donations.


I guess that was the line of your fellow travellers in the old
apartheid regime -- "outside agitators" stirring up your "coloureds,"
right, Mr. Lobbyist?

The ANC, however, was a political party allied with the South African
Communist Party (SACP) and Congress of South African Trade Unions
(COSATU).

All of these organizations enjoyed the political and financial support
of South African workers. That you are denying this shows just how
desperate you have become.


You mean without support from abroad.

something Dan doesn't deny.

But thanks or confirming that pro-democracy movements all over receive
help from abroad.

Sadly for you, since your dissident pals in Cuba have no local support
to speak of(snip)


What PL snipped for all to obvious reasons:

Sadly for you, since your dissident pals in Cuba have no local support
to speak of, and as you yourself have conceded, they are completely
dependent on foreign bankrolling, primarily from a hostile foreign
power that continues to this day to impose genocidal trade sanctions
on the Cuban people themselves. Perhaps this is punishment for not
supporting US agents?


recent polls show that most Cubans don't agree with the regime.

Polls by the Republican Institute -- that band of washed up old
political hacks and pathological liars??? Get real!

And even if that were so, why, as you yourself have conceded, are
these "dissident" groups of yours completely dependent on foreign,
mostly US bankrolling?
..
Raul castro again threatened the Cuban people in case it protested in
the streets.

[snip]

You mean the people themselves -- ordinary Cubans as we see in the
original posting here -- are confronting these US-backed di$$idents of
yours. I know it pisses you off. That's why you fully support these
genocidal sanctions of yours against the Cuban people. Whatever it
takes, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

As it was, their children weren't getting any education or health care
to speak of.
(snip)

What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

(snip)

What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

As it was, their children weren't getting any education or health care
to speak of.

As Nelson Mandela himself said many years later:

"If today all South Africans enjoy the rights of democracy; if they
are able at last to address the grinding poverty of a system that
denied them even the most basic amenities of life, it is also because
of Cuba's selfless support for the struggle to free all of South
Africa's people and the countries of our region from the inhumane and
destructive system of apartheid. For that, we thank the Cuban people
from the bottom of our heart....

"As the beneficiary of international solidarity that helped make it a
member of the community of free nations, democratic South Africa is
proud to be amongst the majority of nations who affirm the right of
the Cuban people to determine their own destiny, and that sanctions
which seek to punish them for having decided to do so are anathema to
the international order to which we aspire."

Source: "Speech by Mandela at Castro banquet," 1998
http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/mandela/1998/nm0904.htm

replied to


Snipped and ran -- as usual.


They could go to school.

Bullshit. As Nelson Mandela said, blacks were "denied them even the
most basic amenities of life."

so they could go to school.

Only with Cuba's help after the overthrow of your beloved apartheid
regime (see the part you snipped, above).


IN Cuba the most basic amenities are denied to the people.

Only in your genocidal wet dreams, Mr. Lobbyist. Despite your best
efforts, Cubans are still able to maintain the best health care and
education system in Latin America. They are even able to send medical
aid to the poor of the region who have been systematically abandoned
by international capitalism.


In Cuba the regime controls all aspects of life.
Bullshit. There is also a private sector in Cuba,(snip)

What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

Bullshit. There is also a private sector in Cuba, (snip)


What PL snipped for all too obvious reasons:

Bullshit. There is also a private sector in Cuba, and unfortunately, a
thriving black market as well. Again, if these dissident groups of
yours had any public support at all, they would be able to continue
their "work" underground by raising money from Cuba workers. A small
percentage of remittances from abroad would be more than enough. As
you yourself have pointed out, however, they are completely dependent
on foreign, mostly US bankrolling.

again replied to


Snipped and ran -- as usual.

Nope.

A blatant lie. Officially, about 10% of the economy in the private
sector. And that probably doesn't count the black market.

and all private sector legal jobs are controlled via the "patente"
licensing system.

So what? If they pay their taxes, they can do whatever they want with
their money -- which, sadly for you, doesn't seem to include
supporting your US-backed, di$$ident pals!

The aim of the regime is to force people in to the illegal sector by
denying them all access to legal means of survival and then to put them
in jail for "common law" offenses denying any link with their political
activities.

[snip]

Even if that were true, if they had any public support, they could do
like the ANC did and go underground raising money from their fellow
workers.


Do you have proof that they don't get support from Cubans abroad?

They get money from the anti-Cuba mafia in Miami, it is true.(snip)

Thanks for admitting they get help from Cubans abroad.


Thanks for admitting they get money from the anti-Cuba mafia in Miami
who are ardent support of the genocidal US trade sanctions against
those on the island.


They get support from Cubans in Cuba and abroad.

[snip]

Very evasive, Mr. Lobbyist. But thanks for confirming you have no proof that any substantial amount of money being raised within Cuba by these "dissidents" of yours -- because they have almost no public support on the island.

(snip)

Just confirmed by you.

[snip]

You mean you just confirmed again you have no proof that any
substantial amount of money being raised within Cuba by these
"dissidents" of yours -- because they have almost no public support on
the island. That's why they are so dependent on your political
masters, right, Mr. Lobbyist?

Dan
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PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me here, and
his lies and evasions on everything from his lobbying exploits to the
international condemnation of his beloved embargo, see: "PL's same
tired old lies and evasions EXPOSED" at
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/36c96cf26743ccca?hl=en

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