Re: How Dan Christensen justifies the Castro killing of Cuban children

Dan Christensen wrote:
(PL still has yet to address the issues in the original posting
posting here.(snip)

(snip)
Actually you have.
the original posting was:


Suggestion that US is not assisting Cuba is false: Obama Admin
Updated on Thursday, October 29, 2009, 09:30 IST
Tags:US, Cuba, Obama Admin

Washington: The Obama Administration has said the suggestion that the
United States is not assisting Cuba is false.

"The suggestion that we are not assisting Cuba is just false. I mean, we
are one of the major providers of humanitarian assistance to Cuba".

"But we don't believe that while there are repressive measures in place
in Cuba, that we should reward the Government of Cuba by lifting the
economic sanctions that could assist the Government of Cuba in its
repression of its own citizens," State Department spokesman, Ian Kelly,
told reporters at his daily news briefing.

"The United States believes it has the sovereign right to conduct its
economic relationship with Cuba as determined by US national interests,"
he said.

"Sanctions on Cuba are designed to permit humanitarian items to reach
the Cuban people, while denying the Cuban Government resources that it
could use to repress its citizens," he said in response to a question.

Kelly said the US is a leading source of food and humanitarian relief to
Cuba. "In 2008, US exported USD 717 million in agricultural products,
medical devices, medicine, wood, and humanitarian items to Cuba," he said.

Noting that sanctions are one part of the US policy approach to Cuba,
Kelly said in recent months the Obama Administration have reached out to
the Cuban people.

"We have taken steps to promote the free flow of information, we have
lifted restrictions on family visits, and we have expanded the kinds and
amounts of humanitarian items that the American people can donate to
Cuba," he said.

"We have also taken steps to establish a more constructive dialogue with
Cuba. We have re-established dialogues on migration, and we have
initiated talks to reestablish direct mail service," Kelly said.

Kelly said the Obama Administration remains focused on the need for
improved human rights conditions and respect for fundamental freedoms in
Cuba. "We would need to see improvements in those areas before we could
normalize relations with Havana," he said.

Responding to a question, the State Department spokesman said the Obama
Administration believes that it is not the right time to lift sanctions.

"We do not think it's time to lift that embargo. We will consider that
when the Government of Cuba starts to make some positive steps towards
loosening up its repression of its own people," Kelly said.

The Obama Administration's policy on Cuba is designed to try and move
the country to doing the right thing towards its own people, he argued.

"They have not taken the kind of steps to show us that they are willing
to open up their society and open up their economy
.... And until they do these things, we are not willing to change our
policy," he said.

"We are looking to try and put our relationship with Cuba on a more
productive path," Kelly said.

Bureau Report

Suggestion that US is not assisting Cuba is false: Obama Admin (29
October 2009)
http://www.zeenews.com/news574292.html

On Nov 6, 3:26 am, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or just too
lame to bother with]

Again, you have nothing that proves this was anything other than a
hijacking gone tragically wrong.
(snip)
What PL snipped for obvious reasons:
Crap
there is no proof that the
central government intended anyone to die,(snip)
What PL snipped for obvious reasons AGAIN!:
(snip)
What PL snipped for obvious reasons YET AGAIN!:
(snip)
[snipping...]
[snipping...]


[snipping portions of Dan Christensen's posting already debunked here,
or just too lame to bother with]

From Amnesty:
However, several of the survivors have doubted this assertion and have
alleged that the whole operation appeared to be coordinated and directed
by radio from a coast guard vessel.
"Appeared to be coordinated???" How were they able to establish that?There was no mention of radio transmissions overheard. It is left to the imagination of the reader, I guess. (snip)
Yep.
Amnesty believes it.
[snip]
On what basis? (snip)

(snip)
replied to: they believe the eye witnesses.

They believe the witnesses it seems.

It seems, when it comes to Cuba, mere allegations are enough.
Nope.
Eye witness testimony from people that live throught it.


Amnesty says it was an official operation.

From Amnesty:
However, several of the survivors have doubted this assertion and have
alleged that the whole operation appeared to be coordinated and directed
by radio from a coast guard vessel. The Cuban coast guard service falls
under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of the Interior. Amnesty
International believes that there is sufficient evidence to indicate
that it was an official operation and that, if events occurred in the
way described by several of the survivors, those who died as a result of
the incident were victims of extrajudicial execution.http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR25/013/1997


Where is the proof? (snip)

Again: the survivors.

An ancient tugboat was hijacked.
Ordinary dockworkers (not police or military)(snip)
What PL snipped for obvious reasons:
(snip)
replied to as shown below
Not "ordinary dockworkers", MININT and navy.
Prove it. (snip)
"The pursuing tugs were new, larger, made of iron, and faster. The
fleeing tug, the '13 de Marzo,' was old, made in the 40s, slower,
smaller, and made of wood. Logically, it had everything to lose in a
deliberate collision with the tugs pursuing it." "Castro speaks of a
'collision' at the mouth of the bay and another on the open sea.
However, the survivors' report indicates that the '13 de Marzo' was hit
by several of the tugs pursuing them. In her testimony, survivor Janet
Hernández tells us that the MININT tugs started bumping into their sides.
The national police have tugboats??? (snip)
I never said the national police.
An interior ministry (snip)
Nope.
Not just "an interior ministry".
The Cuban MININT
[snip]
Get to the part about their, ahem... tugboats.
What, no MININT tugboats
(snip)

what Dan Christensen snipped on the MININT in Cuba s it exposes his lies:

Cuba's Ministry of Interior: The FAR's Fifth Army

You are just repeating yourself here, Mr. Lobbyist.
(snip)

yep, and exposing your lies while at it.
Snipping won't save you, Dan.


what Dan Christensen snipped on the MININT in Cuba s it exposes his lies:

Cuba's Ministry of Interior: The FAR's Fifth Army
FRANK O. MORA a
Wiley InterScience :: JOURNALS :: Bulletin of Latin American Research
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/117962989/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

The goal of the Castro regime has been to "fuse state
andsociety."[37][36]The two principal, overlapping instruments are the
PCC, which "rules over everylevel of Cuban life,"[38][37]andthe Ministry
of Interior (MININT). The MININT contains within it a vast,nationwide
surveillance and repressive apparatus to keep the population inline. The
principal departments in the MININT for exercising political andsocial
control are theDepartamento deSeguridad del Estado(DSE), Department of
State Security, commonly referredto simply as "State Security," and
theDepartamento Técnico de Investigaciones(DTI), Department of
TechnicalInvestigations. The headquarters of State Security is housed in
a formerseminary in the Havana section of Villa Marista and is often
referred to simplyas "Villa Marista." Through the use of electronic
surveillance, undercoveragents and a widespread network of informants
who are often coerced orblackmailed, MININT has the capability and the
mandate to spy on or forciblyintrude in the lives of any citizen for any
reason, anytime, anywhere.According to the U.S. Department of State:

The State has assumed the right to interfere in thelives of citizens,
even those who do not actively oppose the Government and
itspractices.[39][38]

Human Rights Watch/Americas has described the situation thisway:

The violation of the right of privacy is systematicand pervasive. Tight
political control in Cuba is maintained through extensivemonitoring of
Cubans' daily lives.[40][39]

MININT, like the PCC, is deeply imbedded in the structuresof the
military,[41][40]and also controls the uniformed Revolutionary National
Police (PNR).

MININT's surveillance and control of the population areenhanced by
numerous PCC-controlled mass organizations, including theComités de
Defensa de la Revolución(CDRs), Committees for the Defense of the
Revolution; theCentral de Trabajadores de Cuba(CTC), Cuban Confederation
ofLabor; theUnión de Jóvenes Comunistas(UJC), Union of Communist Youth;
theFederaciónde Mujeres Cubanas(FMC), Federation of Cuban Women;
theFederación de Estudiantes Universitarios(FEU), Federation of
University Students; theFederación de Estudiantes de Escuelas
Medias(FEEM), Federation ofSecondary School Students;
theAsociaciónNacional de Agricultores Pequeños(ANAP), Association of
Small Farmers; andeven thePioneros, Pioneers, aScout-like organization
for pre-adolescent youth. The FEEM and the FEU arefrequently mobilized
intoBrigadas Estudiantilesde Trabajo(BETs), Student Work Brigades, for
collective work inagriculture and in construction brigades.

The CDRs are a nationwide network of neighborhood blockassociations
which act as appendages of the state security apparatus, operatingas its
eyes and ears on a daily basis. The CDRs were founded in 1960 as
adefense against violent counterrevolution and developed into a
ubiquitousmechanism of social and political control. The CDR system,
like all massorganizations in Cuba, is organized like a pyramid. There
is a nationaldirectorate headed by a national coordinator. At the next
level are thefourteen CDR provincial committees, and beneath those are
regional, municipaland zone committees. The zone CDRs oversee the
individual block committees.[42][41]

CDR members spy on their neighbors and, in turn, urge themto spy on
others and fill out "Opinion Collection Forms" about what they heartheir
neighbors and colleagues saying during the course of daily
life,particularly their political opinions. The completed forms are then
passed onby the CDRs to the police and MININT. The CDRs also rely on
networks ofchivatos, "stool pigeons," to gatherinformation on people's
behavior.[43][42]TheCDRs operate in conjunction and overlap with the
CTC, the UJC, the FMC, and theFEU, which perform the same functions in
the workplace and in the schools. Thefailure to report criminal
activity, including political "crimes," is itselfconsidered a crime
punishable under Cuban law.[44][43]Inassessing the penetration of the
state into daily life, one young man said tothe delegation from Pax
Christi Netherlands, "I can't even trust my friends."[45][44]

Another organization whose purposes include social andpolitical control
is the Territorial Troop Militia (MTT). The MTT wasestablished in 1980
under the direction of the PCC and in 1992 had an estimated1.5 million
people under paramilitary discipline.[46][45]The stated purpose of the
MTT was to defend against foreign invasion, but theMTT is foremost a
political instrument for mobilizing a discontented populace,intensifying
political indoctrination and reinforcing a garrison statementality.[47][46]

In sum, there is no official organization that is not gearedto combat
and root out dissent and disaffection with the political system.State
Security, the array of PCC-controlled mass organizations and the
MTTcomprise an integrated system of organized surveillance and informing
on amassive scale.

Cuba's severe economic problems since the collapse of theSoviet Union
and the Eastern Bloc appear to have undercut the effectiveness ofthe
CDRs to some extent, particularly in terms of their ability to
mobilizegreat numbers of people for PCC gatherings and activities,
another of theirprescribed functions. However, during a ten-day trip to
Cuba in the spring of 1995by this writer, most ordinary Cubans in Havana
and the provincial cities ofCienfuegos, Trinidad, Santa Clara and
Matanzas reported that they remainedintensely wary of CDR surveillance,
even while conversing in their own homes.[48][47]The delegation from Pax
Christi Netherlands, which visited Cuba from July 15 toAugust 4, 1995,
concluded:

Fear is the basic instrument of political control. Theinformation at the
State Security's disposal can be used to threaten andintimidate anybody,
including those who oppose the regime, to force them to goalong with the
established ideology…There is no place to escape the tentaclesof the
State. The distrust is unbearable.[49][48]

Pax Christi Netherlands believes, based on both official anddissident
sources in Cuba, that there are currently about 80,000 CDRs.[50][49]That
means that with a population of a little more than 11 million, Cuba
hasapproximately one CDR for every 140 people.
UNHCR | Refworld | Cuba. Systematic Repression of Dissent
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,USCIS,,CUB,4562d94e2,3ae6a60c0,0.html

What desperate Dan snipped for obvious reasons:


http://cubapolidata.com/?tag=minint
The even had links with the Stasi.
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/search?q=MININT

All the facts at:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/13_de_marzo.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/

> PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous person attacks here, (snip)

You are the only one that specializes in "venomous" attacks.
I just post the reply every time you post your lying personal attack.

THE STANDARD REPLY TO DAN'S LIES AND PERSONAL INSULTS.
(posted every time in reply to Dan Christensen venomous lies about me)

again Dan Christensen shows what a hypocrite liar he is.
He is the one doing the "attacking" with his lies and slander.
As all can see I only post this piece that exposes his lies when he
has started his slanderous attacks.
That by the way is in general within a couple of exchanges on the
facts of the case involved as by then he is so stuck that he has to
resort to lies and insults.

Please note that lies combined with personal attacks only destroy
your credibility, Dan.

Dan Christensen knows I am not a lobbyist and that it is all just a
slander campaign.
As a good follower of Goebbels he keeps repeating his lies in the hope
that something will stick and that he maybe can mislead some people
that
don't know what he is all about.
Desperate Dan Is doing his bit in the slander campaign of the "rat
pack"
he is associated with. The contribution of his pals at the Centre
Ernesto Che Guevara in this group recently just shows what Dan and his
cronies are all about: lies, insults, slander and intimidation.

Actually: given your actions in the past Dan you fit the lobbyist
profile a lot closer.

You contact people in support of the Cuban regime and with the aim to
have them change the content of their website or change public
statements. You even pose as a "journalist" or "researcher" while
doing so.
The fact that you have been utterly unsuccessful at it and that only
your website suffered the removal of pages just shows what a bad
lobbyist you are.

Your Club Med, lobbying, CIA lies are exposed again


Links to the threads Dan produces his "lobbyist" misquotes from and
the exposure of his lies by others:

For those that want to see the full thread and the complete messages
in their context (which Dan Christensen desperately hopes nobody will
as it will expose his lies), here is a link to the threads concerned.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/5fb621a1396ecc6c/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?hl=3D3Den=3DE0=3DA8=3DAAf5eb5bd1c2ed
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/56e1a7b9ca6c61e3/9cfde811fd6c7414?#9cfde811fd6c7414

To Dan Christensen's great frustration his lies by now have been
exposed by various other people in other threads like:
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ac34bd501ab58b97?dmode=3D3Dsource
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda

Dan Christensen lied when he claimed I had stated that I had been at
Club Med in Varadero - a hotel he tried to depict as a sleazy sex
resort - to "lobby" people.
Just one example:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/4b7720708da65ee0?dmode=3D3Dsource
Dan Christensen even suggested the whole trip was paid for by the CIA
thereby accusing Belgian officials of not only sexual impropriety, but
also of active corruption.
You see: Dan Christensen just doesn't know when to stop lying and gets
caught up in his "cloak and dagger" childish fantasies.
His lies are so over the top that it all become a big joke that people
can easily see though.
Here is one example of how serial liar Dan Christensen was exposed.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda?dmode=3D3Dsource

The lies of Dan Christensen about me that were exposed:
- his lie about me playing golf to "lobby": exposed. Dan Christensen
had to admit there were no quotes to support any of that.
- his lie about singles resorts and schmoozing: exposed as various
people stated that it is merely a family resort that even had a circus
school for children
- his lie about me being in Varadero: exposed as Dan Christensen had
to admit I never said I was there
- his lie that it were all "CIA junkets" exposed as Dan Christensen
ran like hell when he realized that this lie could expose him to legal
sanctions
- his lie that I had "self-confessed" anything: exposed by people that
put the snippets Dan Christensen abusively posts in context (as shown
in this message)
All Dan Christensen's lies have been exposed by various people.

as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
Your record of lies, innuendo, insults and support of human rights
abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.

The exposure of the "lobbyist" lie in further detail.

Dan Christensen's abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over
again. He just aped the lie of another apologist that dropped that
specific lie very quickly. The guy is indeed smarter than stupid Dan.
When Dan Christensen tried to come up with his own "new and
improved" version of the lie he fell flat on his face.
He claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while his Rat Pack
pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP address from
which I had posted something that I was in Santiago de Cuba at the
time. One Rat Pack member exposing another's lies with the result of
his cyber stalking. Ironic.

Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=3D3Dg:thl174670614d&dq=3D3D&hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8

Again it is clear what a pathetic loser Dan Christensen is.

Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.

- Frustration

I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an
"independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with "local knowledge". In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often
forgot to keep up the pretense and made him show his hand and true
nature:

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures. In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in
the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are
morally justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtxMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..) in fact only applied to him.

I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.

Dan Christensen once claimed:
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3D3Dsource&hl=3D3Den

Mr. Smith's own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,''
Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

Then there is the issue of his lying website: acting with a third
person I had pages removed (for violations of law, slander, ...), I
have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...) and I have in general exposed
the lies on it (on Amnesty International for example)

What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3D3DENG-CUB

where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.

Quote:

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience
(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional release."

In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.

" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
end of quote

- Dogmatic hatred.

Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers
democracy" under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care
about a third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably
to make himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his
complete propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by
unsurmountable institutional odds").

- Personal hate and the "rat pack"

Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine) and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net ) and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" real name François Valy was sentenced to 6 months
in
jail for a whole series of abuses (including racism). A Spanish
"subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.

But then in the end this is what it boils down to: those that don't
have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the liars they are.
When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure as Dan Christensen
does here every time.
Fine by me.

PL

"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is
why it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero.
.

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