Re: Cowardly hypocrite Dan Christensen, supporter of the Castro killings of Cuban children, snips and runs
- From: PL <pl.nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:15:08 +0200
This is the 5th time dan has had to "cut and run" from threads where his lies were exposed.
each time he start a new thread to "clear his record".
Won't work of course.
ou support the Castro regime that is responsible for acts of democide and politicide killing children.
See: http://www.cubaverdad.net/13_de_marzo.htm
with pictures of:
Angel René ABREU Ruiz, 3
Giselle (or Lisette) BORGES Alvarez, 4
Yousel Eugenio PEREZ Tacoronte, 11
Yasse (or Yasser) PERODIN Almanza, 11
José Carlos NIKEL Anaya, 3
ESCAPE FROM CUBA
`Our only luggage was hope'
BY SERGIO PERODIN JR.
sergioperodin@xxxxxxx
As a child I had an experience that taught me the price that individuals are willing to pay for freedom.
I was only 7 years old and living in communist Cuba. My parents yearned for freedom and dreamt of coming to America. They secretly planned to escape, along with 72 others who shared their dream. We embarked on a wooden tugboat. Our only luggage was hope, but in that attempt, 41lives were lost. Among them, my mother and brother. My father refused to give up hope, and a short time later, we risked our lives in a second attempt, but on this occasion, aboard a raft.
It began on the fateful day of July 13, 1994, as we embarked on the 13 de Marzo tugboat at about 2 a.m. About 13 miles off the coast of Cuba, we were suddenly attacked by three Cuban tugboats. They rammed us.
Pressure hoses, normally used to put out fires at sea, were used against us. Their impact was so powerful that children were swept to sea from their parents' protective embrace.
Those on the tugboats shouted insults over loudspeakers. In a frenzy, they crashed into the ship, damaging the hull, which caused the tugboat to take in water rapidly. Within minutes, the ship sank. People were screaming and begging to be rescued, but those on the tugboats showed no pity. They circled us and made whirlpools in the water, causing men, women and children to be lost forever in a black sea of despair.
After what seemed an eternity of brutal abuse, the tugboats finally stopped and began picking up survivors. My mother and brother (see picture) were not among them. Those of us who survived, more dead than alive from the ordeal, were not taken to receive medical assistance. Instead, we were taken to prison, where my father remained. I was later sent home in a small van and handed over to my aunt, to take care of me.
A month later, my dad was released from prison, and we were more determined than ever to attempt our search for liberty once more. It took about two weeks to build a raft. One night we embarked on the raft along with seven others and began navigating the seas with wooden paddles. We paddled for a whole day and suddenly we got caught in a storm. We tied ourselves to the raft with ropes and fell asleep from exhaustion. When we woke up, we noticed that we were being taken back to the coast of Cuba by the rough currents of the storm.
At that instant, it seemed as if all our hopes had been lost, but again with all the strength within us, we continued paddling assured that freedom awaited us. We were rescued by the U.S. Coast Guard and eventually taken to the Guantánamo Naval Base in Cuba.
On Jan. 21, 1995, we finally arrived in the United States. At that moment we felt happier than ever, but there was sadness and anger and disappointment that in our search for a new life, my father and I had lost our most valued treasures -- my mother and brother. Yet the first thing my father and relatives did was fly to Washington and testify before the U.S. Congress on what has come to be known as the Massacre of the Tugboat 13th of March, perpetrated by the Castro regime.
Two months after our arrival, life showed us how generous it can be. My father met an incredibly loving woman who has been a mother to me. A month later we moved to her apartment and started our new life in the United States, supported by her unconditional love and guidance.
I will be graduating from high school today. Another dream has been achieved. To this day, I remember that awful tragedy and I still struggle with the memories. But I know I have another dream to accomplish for myself and the memory of my mother and brother. I will go to college. I will do it in the land where everything is possible -- in the land where I found something so valuable that people are willing to risk their lives to obtain it.
It is called freedom.
Sergio Perodín Jr., a survivor of the 13 de Marzo tugboat massacre, is graduating from Coral Gables Senior High today.
Original link:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/11783845.htm
Permanent link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/15952
http://www.cubaverdad.net/13_de_marzo.htm#Our_only_luggage_was_hope
Again you are exposed as the hypocrite you are.
Dan actually already starts this thread with one of his exposed lies: the trade sanctions are no "genocide" as he himself in fact has confirmed over and over again by failing to post even ONE quote from a reputable organization that would have ever referred to the trade sanctions as such.
This kind of sets the tone for the rest of his lies.
What makes this lie even more hypocrite is that the dictator that he supports is on the list of Genocide Watch.
Mission
Genocide Watch exists to predict, prevent, stop, and punish genocide and other forms of mass murder. We seek to raise awareness and influence public policy concerning potential and actual genocide. Our purpose is to build an international movement to prevent and stop genocide.
Vision
We address genocide as it is defined in the Genocide Convention: "the intentional destruction, in whole or in part, of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such." We also address political mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and other genocide-like crimes.
Genocide Watch is the Coordinating organization of The International Campaign to End Genocide (ICEG), an international coalition of organizations. The ICEG aims to educate the general public and policy makers about the causes, processes, and warning signs of genocide; to create the institutions and political will to prevent and stop genocide; and to bring perpetrators of genocide to justice.
Genocide Watch (20 September 2009)
http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutus/missionstatement.html
So that already exposes that lie.
In this post to a newspaper Dan attacks Amnesty for not stating the trade sanctions are "genocide":
Just some advice Dan: if you are going to claim her that Amnesty supports your lies, don't claim they don't in another place.
It just exposes you as the hypocrite liar you are.
You can't claim here the support you and then say in a reply to a press reports that they don't and are using "double standards"
Thanks for being such an idiot.
Quote:
By: Dan Christensen
On: 02 Sep 2009 12:13 am
Is this not genocide? If these had been Chinese trade sanctions on Tibet, warrants would have been issued for the arrest of the Chinese leadership 15 years ago! Why the double standard, Amnesty International?
See:
Amnesty urges Obama to lift US embargo on Cuba
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/22905/amnesty-urges-obama-lift-us.html
As far as supporting the killings of Children: Dan Christensen is the only one that supports these murders:
Dan Christensen wrote:
For over ten years now, PL (aka Mr.Lobbyist) has been actively
promoting US trade sanctions
please show your proof.
that systematically and for purely
political purposes deprive Cuban children of life-saving drugs and
medical supplies.
Poor drama queen.
You know you are lying and have admitted so:
Amnesty International has called these sanctions "immoral" (snip)
and has condemned the human rights abuses of the Castro regime, something Dan doesn't mention.
As a result of the US embargo, AI reports:
actually: Amnesty doesn't blame this on the trades sanctions alone.
It says the sanctions aggravated the problem'.
Nowhere it says they created the problem.
(snip)
What has been PL's response when I present him with these facts?
Mostly he just snips and runs away.
Actually : I reply and address the issues posting lots of links to data that exposes Dan Christensen's lies;
He just snips them.
In hysterics,
You are the only "hysterical" one, drama queen Christensen
(snip)
> And that it is all the fault of alleged
"mismanagement" or "abuses" by the Cuban government.(snip)
and I paste all the facts to show that the regime is not only the one that Amnesty says the regime bear the ultimate responsibility for the problem, but I also post the data where Raul Castro admits the regime has failed the people.
In your title you claim there are "genocidal trade sanctions".
I have show that that is a lie: the Castro regime is the one responsible for the lack of food and medicines.
You therefore snip all and run.
On "genocide".
Fact:
- no reputable international organization has ever referred to the trade sanctions as "genocide"
- the Castro regime is on the list of "genocide Watch" (http://www.genocidewatch.org)
On food trade and aid:
- the US has sold over 4 billion dollars of food to Cuba since 2001
- the US is Cuba's 5th trading partner selling a large diversity of product from building materials to food
- the US has offered food aid on various occasions to Cuba after disasters only to see the aid refused
What Dan Chhistensen snipped:
Philips rejects Castros charges (8 September 2009)
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Money/Story/STIStory_427023.html
Philips rechaza las acusaciones de Fidel Castro - Noticias - Cuba -
cubaencuentro.com (8 September 2009)
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/es/cuba/noticias/philips-rechaza-las-acusaciones-de-fidel-castro-208668
What is the source of the scarcity of food:
The Castro regime has left Cuba for 80% dependent on food imports
through woeful mismanagement of the agriculture through errors in
irrigation, expropriations, allocation of land to ineffective state
farms, disastrous logistics and marginalization of private farmers.
The "import substitution" strategy that Castro
abandoned in his megalomaniac quest for the largest sugar harvest ever
(never achieved of course) are now brought back without adequate
reforms to allow them to achieve anything.
Unused land and the question Dan Christensen doesn't dare to answer:
Dan Christensen: explain why leaving 50% of the arable land unused did not have an impact on the availability of food in Cuba according to you. - soc.culture.cuba | Google Groups
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/e3dafce431438135
Facts that expose Dan Christensen's lies: It is no secret that 76 percent of the country's farmland is relatively unproductive - soc.culture.cuba | Google Discussiegroepen (13 September 2009)
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/c0eb7b2079b4a7d6?hl=nl
As it can't produce the food, the regime has to buy it, but it can't afford to do so:
The rest of the economy is a basket case.
This leaves the shelves in stores empty as Cuba can't pay for the
Before Castro Cuba was self-sufficient in its staple food rice with a
lot higher per capita consumption.
After WW2 imported rice was difficult to obtain and costly, so Cuban
farmers had an incentive to grow rice. In 1949 Cuba produced 10
percent
of domestic consumption. In 1960, the year after Castro came to
power,
the Cuban rice harvest was 400,000 metric toms, making Cuba for the
first time self-sufficient in rice. During the decade of the
fifties,
Cuban producers had successfully adopted the latest methods of rice
farming employed in Louisiana and Texas. From the point of
technological
expertise, rice production outstripped that of any other branch of
Cuban
agriculture; and in terms of money value, rice became one of Cuba's
major crops.
By 1962, with Cuban agriculture socialized, the rice yield was
reduced
by 50%. The same year, as has already been noted, the rationing of
foodstuffs was introduced, with the rice ration set at 6 pounds per
person per month.
That lowered per capita consumption by two thirds.
More over, for lower income Cubans, for whom rice formed a more
substantial part of their diet, the reduction was even greater."
M. Halperin, Return to Havana, Vanderbilt University Press,
Nashville,
1994, p.49−50.
A well functioning free market ensured that from a shortage in 1949
break even was achieved by 1960. Castro ruined the industry by 1962.
In two years 50% of the annual need in rice were no longer met.
In 1966 the rice ration was again reduced by half to 3 ponds per
person per month. that is down from 18 to 3 ponds since the start of
the
dictatorship.
The reason was: the deal that Castro himself had made with China on
the supply of rice fell through when Castro didn't deliver the
promised
support in their "polemic" with the SU.
(for details on the rice Crisis and the Cuba - China quarrel see: M.
Halperin, Taming of Fidel Castro, Berkeley: University of California
Press, 1981, p. 195−207.)
"Thus in 1965, Cuban rice production had dwindled to 50,000 tons..."
M. Halperin, Return to Havana, Vanderbilt University Press,
Nashville,
1994,p.50.
Why did Castro need to reduce rice productions even further: to grow
more sugar to reach his (foolish) goal of 10 million tons of sugar in
1970.
He never made it, but destroyed the production of a staple food while
at it. Gross incompetence. Criminal negligence.
At the end of 1989 the rice ration was 5 pounds. Down from an average
consumption of 18 pounds before the revolution.
Last I saw that is still the same outside Havana with a 20% larger
ration of 6 pounds in Havana.
Even Castro admitted there was no hunger:
Cuba, the "Pearl of the Antilles," though by no means a paradise, was
not, as many believe, an economically backward country. Castro
himself admitted that while there was poverty, there was no economic
crisis and no hunger in Cuba before the Revolution. (See Maurice
Halperin: The Rise and Fall of Fidel Castro, University of California,
1972, pgs. 24, 25, 37)
The Cuban Revolution, Chapter 7
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bright/dolgoff/cubanrevolution/chapter7.html
required imports.
And again all the sources that expose your lies about the food
dependency of Cuba:
In 2006, according to the Communist Party official newspaper Granma,
Cuba commercially imported nearly 85 percent of its food needs. For
more than a decade, it has also depended on food donations from the
United Nations World Food Program (WFP) to feed more than 700,000
families in the five eastern-most provinces.
In addition, Cuba's capacity to import the food it needs, as well as
other critical goods, has severely deteriorated with the collapse of
key exports sectors, particularly sugar, and the suspension of large
subsidies from the former Soviet Union. Currently, capacity to import
food has increased somewhat with the subsidies from Venezuela.
A large portion of these food imports comes from the United States.
FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/
"These included decentralizing farming from August 1 to ease access to
food in a country which imports 80 percent of the products it consumes
and last year spent 2.5 billion dollars on food purchases."
Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisis-hit-cubans/
En 2008 la importación del 80% de los alimentos esenciales le costó
a Cuba 1.850 millones de euros y para reducir esa factura este año las
raciones de frijoles, chicharos y sal se han recortado a la mitad.
Los precios en los mercados agrícolas siguen congelados, nueve meses
después de los huracanes, y faltan muchos productos. Las tiendas de
divisas no ofertan pollo, picadillo de res, papel higiénico,
dentífrico; el precio de la leche en polvo y las conservas es
inasequible.
La paradoja económica cubana | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/
From the WFP:
In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency anaemia
is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the Institute
of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
eastern region is 56.7 percent among children under 2 and 20.1 percent
in children aged 2-5.
Support for the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia in
the Five Eastern Provinces of Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food
Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide
http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba
Agri-Food
Past, Present & Future Report
Cuba
March 2009
Although Cuba's agriculture sector has traditionally been vital to the
economy with such notable products as sugar, tobacco, citrus products,
and tropical fruits, it now imports approximately 80-85% of its
foodstuff requirements. In 1960, roughly 87% of Cuba's rural
population was engaged in agriculture production, and while about 66%
of the population is still engaged in agriculture, the sector lacks
the
technology and investment needed to significantly modernize
production.
Between the years 2000 and 2006 Cuba's agricultural imports almost
doubled. An estimated 15% of Cuba's total imports are agricultural.
http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm
Havana bling
Rory Carroll
12 April 2008 06:00
The most important change is in agriculture, in which mismanagement
has shrivelled cash crops such as sugar, tobacco and coffee and forced
the lush island to import 80% of its food. Now decision-making has
been decentralised and some restrictions lifted to give farmers more
incentive to produce.
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-04-11-havana-bling
Cuba imports approximately 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2
million inhabitants and had planned to spend $2 billion this year even
before the devastation wrought by Gustav and Ike.
http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/food-shortages-starting-in-cuba-is-=
the-system-freezing-up/
The island imports 80% of its food, at a cost of $2.5 billion, and its
huge trade deficit has soared this year by 70% to more than $11
billion, according to official figures out this week. That is only
partly covered by the $7.8 billion Cuba receives for "export
services"=97
doctors and sports trainers sent to Venezuela in exchange for oil.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3D12851246
Although Cuba already imports 80 percent of the food that it's 11.2
million residents consume, analysts say the impact of the hurricanes
pushes the island into a crisis during a time of high food prices in
international markets.
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=3Dc87faaa=
b5329d7d51fedc165d5b9ad2d
Cuba imports 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2-million
inhabitants, making it highly vulnerable to the commodity price shocks
and foreign currency swings in recent months. Cuba's imports this year
are estimated at $2.5-billion, up 56 percent from last year.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/article946886.ece
But overall Cuba is still reliant today on imports for 80% of its
total food consumption, and thus extremely vulnerable to world food
price fluctuations.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/763/39410
IMPORTA 80% DE NECESIDADES
Sector productivo cubano, muerto
En 1958, Cuba producía casi el 80% de los alimentos que consumía y era
el principal proveedor de hortalizas de EE.UU. Hoy es al revés: la
isla
importa más del 80% de la cesta básica y la mayor parte de los
alimentos
viene del "imperio", su quinto socio comercial, a pesar del embargo
decretado en 1962. Actualmente, más del 50% de las tierras cultivables
están ociosas.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/42389
To save communism, Raul experiments with consumerism
Minor economic reforms by Castro's brother risk exposing inequality
and
encouraging the desire for change
Rory Carroll in Havana
The Guardian, Monday 7 April 2008
"The most important change so far is in agriculture, in which
mismanagement has shriveled cash crops such as sugar, tobacco and
coffee and forced the lush island to import 80% of its food. Now
decision-making has been decentralised and some restrictions lifted to
give farmers more incentive to produce."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/07/cuba?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews
Waiting for Obama | The Economist
This will be exacerbated by pressures from high food import prices
(Cuba
imports around 80% of its food needs), falling nickel prices (a main
source of foreign exchange) and the hurricane-related losses. The
country's already huge trade deficit soared in 2008 by 70%, to an
estimated US$11bn.
http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12882233
Cuba News
Cuba imports around 80% of its food products and Raul Castro recently
implemented reforms in the farming sector in an attempt to stimulate
domestic production. Cuba will have to import more food or face
shortages.
http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/research-units/cuba/news/cubanews.cfm
Cubasource (20 May 2009)
Cuba imports more than 80 percent of the food it consumes (EFE,
3/11/08).
http://www.cubasource.org/publications/chronicles/coc200811ec_e.asp
Note that Dan Christensen wants you to believe that he (no facts at
all)
and his propaganda should be believed over the reports of:
- the WFP, a specialized international agency with a local office.
http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba
- the Economist (a respected UK publication with an research
department called "the intelligence unit" that prepares a report on
Cuba each year)
http://www.eiu.com/index.asp?rf=0
- The Canadian government
http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm
- the Guardian (a left of center newspaper in the UK)
What Dan Christensen snipped on the lack of cash:
Economía del desastre
Dan Christensen: explain why Cuba is reducing it's imports of food and reducing the rationing if it has no shortage of cash as you claim. - soc.culture.cuba | Google Groups
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/fac6e2de4bc8e6a2
Some facts:
Posted on Friday, 09.04.09 as a question to Dan Christensen in this thread with links to relevant articles.
Facts that expose Dan Christensen's lies: Cuba's economic crisis reflected in drop in sea-borne imports - soc.culture.cuba | Google Groups
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/c557ad3d358d85e8
The facts show it is: NO CASH
Cuba, in liquidity crunch, rolls over euro bonds | Markets | Reuters (9 June 2009)
http://in.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idINN0936980220090609?sp=true
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/06/cuba-in-liquidity-crunch-rolls-over.html
South Africa waives Cuban debt
17 minutes ago
JOHANNESBURG (AFP) — South Africa has waived Cuban debt totalling more
than 100 million dollars, a government spokesman said on Thursday after
a cabinet meeting.
"Given the assessment of Cuba's debt position, governmnent is of the
view that Cuba was not in a position to meet its obligations in the
forseeable future," Themba Maseko was quoted as saying by the SAPA news
agency.
The 926.8-million-rand (117-million-dollar/ 73-million-euro) debt was
owed for insurance cover provided by the Export Credit Insurance
Corporation of SA for the export of diesel engines and pesticides in 1996.
Maseko said Cuban debt could undermine future trade in areas such as
biotechnology and pharmaceuticals.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9qVm5DSX4lG_HOpc3fZ4oLSO59g
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2008/04/south-africa-waives-cuban-debt.html
Los exportadores valencianos llevan un año sin cobrar sus ventas a
Cuba - Valencia_Valencia - Valencia - ABC.es (15 July 2009)
http://www.abc.es/20090715/valencia-valencia/exportadores-valencianos-llevan-cobrar-20090715.html
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/07/los-exportadores-valencianos-llevan-un.html
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports
July 21, 2009
HAVANA TIMES, July 20 - The Cuban government has decided to
decentralize expenditures in hard currency for imports, which will now be managed by the individual ministries instead of a single centralized super account, reported Mexico's La Jornada newspaper on Monday.
Nevertheless, the daily points out that the new measure does not
state the fate of outstanding accounts that have not been paid to foreign suppliers over the last seven months, estimated at around one billion USD
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports - Havana Times.org (21 July 2009)
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=12010
The effect on the Cuban people:
The result is a people that depends on hand-outs from abroad to
survive (60%) or that faces extreme hardship. Cuban economists have
calculated that the Cubans need 4 to 7 times the monthly salary to
meet the basic needs of a family of 4. The worst hit are the old age
pensioners that don't have any help from abroad. 75% of Cuban families
can't make ends meet.
Housing is a disaster. Cuba has a massive housing shortage and
Cuts in health and education have reduced them to a shambles.
Education is far from free and the scarce places are allocated based
on political preference rather than than ability. In fact access to
education is used as part of the control system.
Jobs in education are so unpopular that teacher shortages exist. The
result is a shambles. The fact that the regime felt it needed to start
a program to teach people how to correctly write Spanish is just one
example.
The health system has been transformed in to an apartheid system with
one part for the elite and tourists having all as if no embargo
existed while the people's medicine lacks everything duly blamed on
the embargo of course.
The best medical personnel is rented out leaving the Cubans facing
scarcity of people and medicines in their part of the health service.
The end result of it all is that the regime is so unpopular that it
needs to resort to repression to control the people. It has recently
shown that even the harmless expression of a drunk makes them panic.
The Castro regime has had to resort to completely closing off the
island to ensure that the people don't leave.
In fact: a complete story of disaster.
Dan falsely tries to blame the trade sanctions abusing snippets from Amnesty International and others.
In that he clashes even with Raul Castro.
"Castro took a few swipes at the U.S. trade embargo that has been in place since 1962, but made it clear Cubans have only themselves to blame for agriculture shortages."
Castro calls for tight finances in Cuba - CNN.com (26 July 2009)
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/07/26/cubal.tough.times/
Seeing his lies exposed, Dan Christensen is reduced to slander and insults.
> PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous personal attacks on me
You are the one that needs "venomous" attacks, Dan.
I just post this reply every time you slander me in your "venomous" attacks, hypocrite
THE STANDARD REPLY TO DAN'S PERSONAL LIES AND INSULTS.
again Dan Christensen shows what a hypocrite liar he is.
He is the one doing the "attacking" with his lies and slander.
As all can see I only post this piece that exposes his lies when he
has started his slanderous attacks.
That by the way is in general within a couple of exchanges on the
facts of the case involved as by then he is so stuck that he has to
resort to lies and insults.
Please note that lies combined with personal attacks only destroy
your credibility, Dan.
Dan Christensen knows I am not a lobbyist and that it is all just a
slander campaign.
As a good follower of Goebbels he keeps repeating his lies in the hope
that something will stick and that he maybe can mislead some people
that
don't know what he is all about.
Desperate Dan Is doing his bit in the slander campaign of the "rat
pack"
he is associated with. The contribution of his pals at the Centre
Ernesto Che Guevara in this group recently just shows what Dan and his
cronies are all about: lies, insults, slander and intimidation.
Actually: given your actions in the past Dan you fit the lobbyist
profile a lot closer.
You contact people in support of the Cuban regime and with the aim to
have them change the content of their website or change public
statements. You even pose as a "journalist" or "researcher" while
doing so.
The fact that you have been utterly unsuccessful at it and that only
your website suffered the removal of pages just shows what a bad
lobbyist you are.
Your Club Med, lobbying, CIA lies are exposed again
Links to the threads Dan produces his "lobbyist" misquotes from and
the exposure of his lies by others:
For those that want to see the full thread and the complete messages
in their context (which Dan Christensen desperately hopes nobody will
as it will expose his lies), here is a link to the threads concerned.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/5fb621a1396ecc6c/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?hl=3D3Den=3DE0=3DA8=3DAAf5eb5bd1c2ed
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/56e1a7b9ca6c61e3/9cfde811fd6c7414?#9cfde811fd6c7414
To Dan Christensen's great frustration his lies by now have been
exposed by various other people in other threads like:
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ac34bd501ab58b97?dmode=3D3Dsource
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda
Dan Christensen lied when he claimed I had stated that I had been at
Club Med in Varadero - a hotel he tried to depict as a sleazy sex
resort - to "lobby" people.
Just one example:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/4b7720708da65ee0?dmode=3D3Dsource
Dan Christensen even suggested the whole trip was paid for by the CIA
thereby accusing Belgian officials of not only sexual impropriety, but
also of active corruption.
You see: Dan Christensen just doesn't know when to stop lying and gets
caught up in his "cloak and dagger" childish fantasies.
His lies are so over the top that it all become a big joke that people
can easily see though.
Here is one example of how serial liar Dan Christensen was exposed.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda?dmode=3D3Dsource
The lies of Dan Christensen about me that were exposed:
- his lie about me playing golf to "lobby": exposed. Dan Christensen
had to admit there were no quotes to support any of that.
- his lie about singles resorts and schmoozing: exposed as various
people stated that it is merely a family resort that even had a circus
school for children
- his lie about me being in Varadero: exposed as Dan Christensen had
to admit I never said I was there
- his lie that it were all "CIA junkets" exposed as Dan Christensen
ran like hell when he realized that this lie could expose him to legal
sanctions
- his lie that I had "self-confessed" anything: exposed by people that
put the snippets Dan Christensen abusively posts in context (as shown
in this message)
All Dan Christensen's lies have been exposed by various people.
as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
Your record of lies, innuendo, insults and support of human rights
abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.
The exposure of the "lobbyist" lie in further detail.
Dan Christensen's abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over
again. He just aped the lie of another apologist that dropped that
specific lie very quickly. The guy is indeed smarter than stupid Dan.
When Dan Christensen tried to come up with his own "new and
improved" version of the lie he fell flat on his face.
He claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while his Rat Pack
pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP address from
which I had posted something that I was in Santiago de Cuba at the
time. One Rat Pack member exposing another's lies with the result of
his cyber stalking. Ironic.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=3D3Dg:thl174670614d&dq=3D3D&hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8
Again it is clear what a pathetic loser Dan Christensen is.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an
"independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with "local knowledge". In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often
forgot to keep up the pretense and made him show his hand and true
nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures. In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.......................................................................................................................................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in
the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are
morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtxMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..) in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
Dan Christensen once claimed:
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3D3Dsource&hl=3D3Den
Mr. Smith's own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,''
Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
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Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: acting with a third
person I had pages removed (for violations of law, slander, ...), I
have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...) and I have in general exposed
the lies on it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3D3DENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience
(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
end of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers
democracy" under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care
about a third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably
to make himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his
complete propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by
unsurmountable institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine) and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net ) and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" real name François Valy was sentenced to 6 months
in
jail for a whole series of abuses (including racism). A Spanish
"subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to: those that don't
have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the liars they are.
When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure as Dan Christensen
does here every time.
Fine by me.
PL
"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is
why it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla
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