Re: Cowardly hypocrite Canadian Stalinist Dan Christensen still lying about genocidal trade sanctions, snips and runs away in terror
- From: PL <pl.nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:30:53 +0200
Dan Christensen wrote:
PL continues to trot out his Nazi-style rationalizations
You are the only one that shares the attitudes of the Nazis.
Just in the last 30 days you supported attacks on pregnant women and claimed people had to pay the Cuban state if a Cuban left Cuba, even in the case of family reunions.
You support a regime that:
- is on the list of genocide Watch:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm
- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the
past: the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm
more about the UMAP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- tortures opponents:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/torture_in_cuba.htm
- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm
- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- burns books - like the Nazi regime
- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated
system of
social control - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
......................
and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures. In
this
case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
........................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send
death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia.
Again, the
actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called
dissidents seem
quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under the
circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
Unquote
> for genocide.
But no one is buying into --
genocide Watch put your favorite dictator on their list.
See: http://www.genocidewatch.org
not Amnesty International or the
international community in general. (snip)
actually they are not "buying in" to your genocide lie. as you have proven over and over again by failing to post even one quote from a reputable international organization referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide".
On Sep 4, 2:39 pm, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[snipping portions of PL cowardly posting already debunked here, or
too lame to bother with]
Nope.[snip]You are the only one with "nazi" attitudes here.There you go again [-- in the fine tradition of your Nazi predecessorsBecause of its mismanagement it can't buy the food and medicine the
people need.
You are the one promoting genocide against the Cuban people.
The only genocide in Cuba is the one reported by Genocide Watch
Repeatedly debunked here. Again, GW's credibility was shattered (snip)
Nope.
your lies about them were exposed.
You started a new thread because of it, remember?
Dan Christensen's exposed lie about Genocide Watch.
Dan falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number from a book by Rummel.
Another case of false claims of "private information". Upon verification
it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of 73,000 deaths
attributable to the Castro regime. Genocide Watch showed a figure of
75,000 which comrade Dan promptly attributed to "sloppiness" in copying.
Dan Christensen fails to understand that his private lies can't refute
the public record. He tried this one on a couple of times and always
failed. Do you deny Dan Christensen that you got the numbers wrong in
your lie and that the "exclusive" source you falsely claimed was used by
Genocide Watch (another "private" message) actually gave a LOWER figure
than Genocide Watch? I have clearly shown that your claim that Mr.
Rummel is the one and only source Genocide Watch uses is false by
proving that Mr. Rummel (whose credibility you attack without proof)
gives a different figure than Genocide Watch (73,000 versus 75,0000).
Genocide Watch correctly lists Castro as a genocidal dictator because of
his responsibility for the death of thousands of people. When confronted
with your lie you turned insult in to injury by claiming the "made an
error in copying", didn't you? As always: the links that expose Dan
Christensen's lies:
Dan's lie:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ff0ab4c53757e8a0?dmode=source&hl=en
My exposure of his lie:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/a44230458e76b3c7?dmode=source&hl=en
Dan's pathetic claim Genocide Watch made a mistake:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/8eeb4ad61f1463d4?dmode=source&hl=en
Like one(snip)
of these disgusting neo-Nazi thugs, [you keep trotting out your "statistics" to "prove" the genocide never happened! And you have repeatedly refused to even comment one -- never mind condemn! -- the murder and torture of opponents of your beloved Bush regime in its vast network of secret prisons around the world. ]
The cowardly PL snips and runs again, r(snip)
Nope.
I expose you lies and you "snip and run".
You are the only one that shares the attitudes of the Nazi thugs.[snip]
The kettle calling the teapot black! (snip)
Nope.
me exposing you as the only one with "Nazi" attitudes (see above.
Thanks for admitting you are "black", though.
Don't insult me by trying to put me at your desperately low human level.
On this AI said, "Although responsibility for providing adequate(snip)
health care lies primarily with the Cuban authorities, [governments imposing sanctions such as embargoes need to pay special attention to the impact they can have on the targeted country’s population." Not exactly support for these cruel and inhumane sanctions is it? As we see here, and as even you cannot deny, your beloved embargo, as AI has reported is "preventing millions of Cubans from benefiting from vital medicines and medical equipment essential for their health," and "obstructs and constrains efforts by the Cuban government to purchase essential medicines, medical equipment and supplies, food and agricultural products."]
and they failed no?
On the contrary, (snip)
Nope.
they did: unused land, food shortages, 80% of food that needs to be imported, an apartheid health system ..
Facts that expose Dan Christensen's lies: Alimentos perdidos - soc.culture.cuba | Google Groups (4 September 2009)
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/a534798ae47029cd
Facts that expose Dan Christensen's lies: Unused arable land in Cuba 2008: 50% of total up 25% since 2003 - soc.culture.cuba | Google Groups (4 September 2009)
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/1f4b45a4504bbbab
Facts that expose Dan Christensen's lies: Drástica caída de las importaciones en Cuba - soc.culture.cuba | Google Groups (4 September 2009)
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3455f5030270b1c6
(snip)Amnesty never addressed the issue.are you denying that Cuba does not have to cash to pay for food andAI doesn't seem to think a lack of cash is the problem.(snip)
medicines?
Yes, they did.
Nope.
they talked about principles.
Not realities.
here are the realities you are reduced to snip as you can't deny them.
The facts show it is: NO CASH
Cuba, in liquidity crunch, rolls over euro bonds | Markets | Reuters (9 June 2009)
http://in.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idINN0936980220090609?sp=true
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/06/cuba-in-liquidity-crunch-rolls-over.html
South Africa waives Cuban debt
17 minutes ago
JOHANNESBURG (AFP) — South Africa has waived Cuban debt totalling more
than 100 million dollars, a government spokesman said on Thursday after
a cabinet meeting.
"Given the assessment of Cuba's debt position, governmnent is of the
view that Cuba was not in a position to meet its obligations in the
forseeable future," Themba Maseko was quoted as saying by the SAPA news
agency.
The 926.8-million-rand (117-million-dollar/ 73-million-euro) debt was
owed for insurance cover provided by the Export Credit Insurance
Corporation of SA for the export of diesel engines and pesticides in 1996.
Maseko said Cuban debt could undermine future trade in areas such as
biotechnology and pharmaceuticals.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9qVm5DSX4lG_HOpc3fZ4oLSO59g
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2008/04/south-africa-waives-cuban-debt.html
Los exportadores valencianos llevan un año sin cobrar sus ventas a
Cuba - Valencia_Valencia - Valencia - ABC.es (15 July 2009)
http://www.abc.es/20090715/valencia-valencia/exportadores-valencianos-llevan-cobrar-20090715.html
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/07/los-exportadores-valencianos-llevan-un.html
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports
July 21, 2009
HAVANA TIMES, July 20 - The Cuban government has decided to
decentralize expenditures in hard currency for imports, which will now be managed by the individual ministries instead of a single centralized super account, reported Mexico's La Jornada newspaper on Monday.
Nevertheless, the daily points out that the new measure does not
state the fate of outstanding accounts that have not been paid to foreign suppliers over the last seven months, estimated at around one billion USD
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports - Havana Times.org (21 July 2009)
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=12010
What desperate Dan snipped without addressing any of the points
raised:
FOOD SHORTAGES AND THEIR ORIGIN
As far as the food situation goes here are the facts that show that
the food shortages are only the consequence of the mismanagement of
the Cuban economy in general and agriculture in particular:
The "economic difficulties" as you euphemistically call them are
actually dogmatic mismanagement by a dictatorship.
that warrants support for change to the system and aid to the people.
Cuba refuses to change and has refused food aid from the US and the
EU.
That shows that the regime is the only problem.
To keep it simple: the trade sanctions are in no way "genocide".
What you euphemistically call "economic difficulties" are in fact the
result of criminal dogmatic mismanagement of the economy in general
and
agriculture in particular.
Even Raul now stopped blaming the "embargo".
The shortages aren't due to "US sanctions", but to dogmatic
mismanagement.
Before Castro Cuba was self-sufficient in its staple food rice with a
lot higher per capita consumption.
After WW2 imported rice was difficult to obtain and costly, so Cuban
farmers had an incentive to grow rice. In 1949 Cuba produced 10
percent
of domestic consumption. In 1960, the year after Castro came to
power,
the Cuban rice harvest was 400,000 metric toms, making Cuba for the
first time self-sufficient in rice. During the decade of the
fifties,
Cuban producers had successfully adopted the latest methods of rice
farming employed in Louisiana and Texas. From the point of
technological
expertise, rice production outstripped that of any other branch of
Cuban
agriculture; and in terms of money value, rice became one of Cuba's
major crops.
By 1962, with Cuban agriculture socialized, the rice yield was
reduced
by 50%. The same year, as has already been noted, the rationing of
foodstuffs was introduced, with the rice ration set at 6 pounds per
person per month.
That lowered per capita consumption by two thirds.
More over, for lower income Cubans, for whom rice formed a more
substantial part of their diet, the reduction was even greater."
M. Halperin, Return to Havana, Vanderbilt University Press,
Nashville,
1994, p.49−50.
A well functioning free market ensured that from a shortage in 1949
break even was achieved by 1960. Castro ruined the industry by 1962.
In two years 50% of the annual need in rice were no longer met.
In 1966 the rice ration was again reduced by half to 3 ponds per
person per month. that is down from 18 to 3 ponds since the start of
the
dictatorship.
The reason was: the deal that Castro himself had made with China on
the supply of rice fell through when Castro didn't deliver the
promised
support in their "polemic" with the SU.
(for details on the rice Crisis and the Cuba - China quarrel see: M.
Halperin, Taming of Fidel Castro, Berkeley: University of California
Press, 1981, p. 195−207.)
"Thus in 1965, Cuban rice production had dwindled to 50,000 tons..."
M. Halperin, Return to Havana, Vanderbilt University Press,
Nashville,
1994,p.50.
Why did Castro need to reduce rice productions even further: to grow
more sugar to reach his (foolish) goal of 10 million tons of sugar in
1970.
He never made it, but destroyed the production of a staple food while
at it. Gross incompetence. Criminal negligence.
At the end of 1989 the rice ration was 5 pounds. Down from an average
consumption of 18 pounds before the revolution.
Last I saw that is still the same outside Havana with a 20% larger
ration of 6 pounds in Havana.
Even Castro admitted there was no hunger:
Cuba, the "Pearl of the Antilles," though by no means a paradise, was
not, as many believe, an economically backward country. Castro
himself admitted that while there was poverty, there was no economic
crisis and no hunger in Cuba before the Revolution. (See Maurice
Halperin: The Rise and Fall of Fidel Castro, University of California,
1972, pgs. 24, 25, 37)
The Cuban Revolution, Chapter 7
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/bright/dolgoff/cubanrevolution/chapter7.html
Now stand to attention and heed you "coma andante" (the little one)
"Castro took a few swipes at the U.S. trade embargo that has been in
place since 1962, but made it clear Cubans have only themselves to
blame
for agriculture shortages."
Castro calls for tight finances in Cuba - CNN.com (26 July 2009)
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/07/26/cubal.tough.times/
The shortages are due to the fact that 50% of the Cuban arable land
has been left unused for years while the state controlled farms having
been allotted 2/3 of the land that was used had a productivity of only
25% of the independent farmers. These independent farmers were again
hampered by dogmatic control over their production and by lack of
access to inputs. Cuba's inability to feed its people is indeed the
result - as Raul confirmed himself on July 26 - the disastrous
situation of agriculture in Cuba and of non-payment of suppliers as a
result of the inability of Cuba to generate the cash to pay suppliers.
It may have been a "blessing in disguise" that Cuba had and has to
pay the US as this keeps the supply line for 30% of the 80% of food
consumed by Cubans that Cuba needs to import.
In Cuba's case the facts they haven't paid about 1 billion dollars to
suppliers (some not paid for a year) would indeed obstruct a
government's ability to obtain food.
What Castro said:
"Castro took a few swipes at the U.S. trade embargo that has been in
place since 1962, but made it clear Cubans have only themselves to
blame
for agriculture shortages."
Castro calls for tight finances in Cuba - CNN.com (26 July 2009)
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/07/26/cubal.tough.times/
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports
July 21, 2009
HAVANA TIMES, July 20 - The Cuban government has decided to
decentralize expenditures in hard currency for imports, which will now
be managed by the individual ministries instead of a single
centralized super account, reported Mexico's La Jornada newspaper on
Monday.
Nevertheless, the daily points out that the new measure does not
state the fate of outstanding accounts that have not been paid to
foreign suppliers over the last seven months, estimated at around one
billion USD
Cuba Moves to Decentralize Imports - Havana Times.org (21 July 2009)
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=12010
Los exportadores valencianos llevan un año sin cobrar sus ventas a
Cuba
A. C. | VALENCIA
Miercoles, 15-07-09
Las empresas valencianas sufren un retraso en el cobro de sus
exportaciones a Cuba que ya alcanza un año.
Los exportadores valencianos llevan un año sin cobrar sus ventas a
Cuba - Valencia_Valencia - Valencia - ABC.es (15 July 2009)
http://www.abc.es/20090715/valencia-valencia/exportadores-valencianos-llevan-cobrar-20090715.html
Cuba Verdad: Los exportadores valencianos llevan un año sin cobrar
sus ventas a Cuba http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/07/los-exportadores-valencianos-llevan-un.html
Even in these circumstances the Us have again accepted a loosening of
payment terms.
Provision makes Cuba trade easier
Jerry Hagstrom,Agweek
Published: 07/20/2009
Provision makes Cuba trade easier | Agweek | Midwest farm news and
ranch
news (20 July 2009)
http://www.agweek.com/articles/?id=5090&article_id=14658&property_id=41
Note that recently:
- Mexico had to abandon part of the debt
- South Africa had to cancel $100 million in debt as Cuba couldn't pay
South Africa waives Cuban debt
17 minutes ago
JOHANNESBURG (AFP) — South Africa has waived Cuban debt totalling more
than 100 million dollars, a government spokesman said on Thursday after
a cabinet meeting.
"Given the assessment of Cuba's debt position, governmnent is of the
view that Cuba was not in a position to meet its obligations in the
forseeable future," Themba Maseko was quoted as saying by the SAPA news
agency.
The 926.8-million-rand (117-million-dollar/ 73-million-euro) debt was
owed for insurance cover provided by the Export Credit Insurance
Corporation of SA for the export of diesel engines and pesticides in 1996.
Maseko said Cuban debt could undermine future trade in areas such as
biotechnology and pharmaceuticals.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9qVm5DSX4lG_HOpc3fZ4oLSO59g
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2008/04/south-africa-waives-cuban-debt.html
- Eurobonds had to be refinanced as they couldn't be paid
Cuba, in liquidity crunch, rolls over euro bonds | Markets | Reuters (9 June 2009)
http://in.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idINN0936980220090609?sp=true
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/06/cuba-in-liquidity-crunch-rolls-over.html
And again all the sources that expose your lies about the food
dependency of Cuba:
In 2006, according to the Communist Party official newspaper Granma,
Cuba commercially imported nearly 85 percent of its food needs. For
more than a decade, it has also depended on food donations from the
United Nations World Food Program (WFP) to feed more than 700,000
families in the five eastern-most provinces.
In addition, Cuba's capacity to import the food it needs, as well as
other critical goods, has severely deteriorated with the collapse of
key exports sectors, particularly sugar, and the suspension of large
subsidies from the former Soviet Union. Currently, capacity to import
food has increased somewhat with the subsidies from Venezuela.
A large portion of these food imports comes from the United States.
FOOD VS. FUEL: A FALSE DILEMMA FOR CUBA | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/food-vs-fuel-a-false-dilemma-for-cuba/
"These included decentralizing farming from August 1 to ease access to
food in a country which imports 80 percent of the products it consumes
and last year spent 2.5 billion dollars on food purchases."
Power cuts and fewer beans for crisis-hit Cubans | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/power-cuts-and-fewer-beans-for-crisis-hit-cubans/
En 2008 la importación del 80% de los alimentos esenciales le costó
a Cuba 1.850 millones de euros y para reducir esa factura este año las
raciones de frijoles, chicharos y sal se han recortado a la mitad.
Los precios en los mercados agrícolas siguen congelados, nueve meses
después de los huracanes, y faltan muchos productos. Las tiendas de
divisas no ofertan pollo, picadillo de res, papel higiénico,
dentífrico; el precio de la leche en polvo y las conservas es
inasequible.
La paradoja económica cubana | Cubaverdad
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/la-paradoja-economica-cubana/
From the WFP:
In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency anaemia
is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the Institute
of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
eastern region is 56.7 percent among children under 2 and 20.1 percent
in children aged 2-5.
Support for the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia in
the Five Eastern Provinces of Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food
Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide
http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba
Agri-Food
Past, Present & Future Report
Cuba
March 2009
Although Cuba's agriculture sector has traditionally been vital to the
economy with such notable products as sugar, tobacco, citrus products,
and tropical fruits, it now imports approximately 80-85% of its
foodstuff requirements. In 1960, roughly 87% of Cuba's rural
population was engaged in agriculture production, and while about 66%
of the population is still engaged in agriculture, the sector lacks
the
technology and investment needed to significantly modernize
production.
Between the years 2000 and 2006 Cuba's agricultural imports almost
doubled. An estimated 15% of Cuba's total imports are agricultural.
http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm
Havana bling
Rory Carroll
12 April 2008 06:00
The most important change is in agriculture, in which mismanagement
has shrivelled cash crops such as sugar, tobacco and coffee and forced
the lush island to import 80% of its food. Now decision-making has
been decentralised and some restrictions lifted to give farmers more
incentive to produce.
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-04-11-havana-bling
Cuba imports approximately 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2
million inhabitants and had planned to spend $2 billion this year even
before the devastation wrought by Gustav and Ike.
http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/food-shortages-starting-in-cuba-is-=
the-system-freezing-up/
The island imports 80% of its food, at a cost of $2.5 billion, and its
huge trade deficit has soared this year by 70% to more than $11
billion, according to official figures out this week. That is only
partly covered by the $7.8 billion Cuba receives for "export
services"=97
doctors and sports trainers sent to Venezuela in exchange for oil.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3D12851246
Although Cuba already imports 80 percent of the food that it's 11.2
million residents consume, analysts say the impact of the hurricanes
pushes the island into a crisis during a time of high food prices in
international markets.
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=3Dc87faaa=
b5329d7d51fedc165d5b9ad2d
Cuba imports 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2-million
inhabitants, making it highly vulnerable to the commodity price shocks
and foreign currency swings in recent months. Cuba's imports this year
are estimated at $2.5-billion, up 56 percent from last year.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/article946886.ece
But overall Cuba is still reliant today on imports for 80% of its
total food consumption, and thus extremely vulnerable to world food
price fluctuations.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/763/39410
IMPORTA 80% DE NECESIDADES
Sector productivo cubano, muerto
En 1958, Cuba producía casi el 80% de los alimentos que consumía y era
el principal proveedor de hortalizas de EE.UU. Hoy es al revés: la
isla
importa más del 80% de la cesta básica y la mayor parte de los
alimentos
viene del "imperio", su quinto socio comercial, a pesar del embargo
decretado en 1962. Actualmente, más del 50% de las tierras cultivables
están ociosas.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/42389
To save communism, Raul experiments with consumerism
Minor economic reforms by Castro's brother risk exposing inequality
and
encouraging the desire for change
Rory Carroll in Havana
The Guardian, Monday 7 April 2008
"The most important change so far is in agriculture, in which
mismanagement has shriveled cash crops such as sugar, tobacco and
coffee and forced the lush island to import 80% of its food. Now
decision-making has been decentralised and some restrictions lifted to
give farmers more incentive to produce."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/07/cuba?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews
Waiting for Obama | The Economist
This will be exacerbated by pressures from high food import prices
(Cuba
imports around 80% of its food needs), falling nickel prices (a main
source of foreign exchange) and the hurricane-related losses. The
country's already huge trade deficit soared in 2008 by 70%, to an
estimated US$11bn.
http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12882233
Cuba News
Cuba imports around 80% of its food products and Raul Castro recently
implemented reforms in the farming sector in an attempt to stimulate
domestic production. Cuba will have to import more food or face
shortages.
http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/research-units/cuba/news/cubanews.cfm
Cubasource (20 May 2009)
Cuba imports more than 80 percent of the food it consumes (EFE,
3/11/08).
http://www.cubasource.org/publications/chronicles/coc200811ec_e.asp
Note that Dan Christensen wants you to believe that he (no facts at
all)
and his propaganda should be believed over the reports of:
- the WFP, a specialized international agency with a local office.
http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba
- the Economist (a respected UK publication with an research
department called "the intelligence unit" that prepares a report on
Cuba each year)
http://www.eiu.com/index.asp?rf=0
- The Canadian government
http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm
- the Guardian (a left of center newspaper in the UK)
and Greenleft, ....
TRADE SANCTIONS AND GENOCIDE.
Exposing the "genocide "lie:
Here is the link to the article:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR25/002/2009/en/e7b1efe4-27f4-4b2c-9a39-23c88749e39e/amr250022009en.html
From the text:
"Although the US administration has recently eased remittances and
travel restrictions for Cuban-Americans, and has allowed US companies
more flexibility in selling food and medicine to Cuba, these measures
are limited to the end of the current fiscal year. Nevertheless,
Amnesty International hopes that they herald a comprehensive review of
US foreign policy towards Cuba."
No mention of "genocide", no mention of "immediate and unconditional"
as Dan Christensen claims.
It does say:
"The Cuban government, for its part, must align its laws and policies
with its obligations under the American Convention on Human Rights and
other international treaties to which it is party, particularly in
respect of freedom of expression, association and assembly."
As usual Dan Christensen abuses part of the message of Amnesty in
support of the dictatorship.
Based on the principles in the convention on genocide
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/p_genoci.htm
Genocide watch has put your favorite dictator on their list.
see: http://www.genocidewatch.org
Also based on these principles and after reviewing the facts no
reputable international organization has ever referred to the US
trade sanctions as "genocide".
But then Dan Christensen has a habit of misquoting people:
Dan Christensen once claimed:
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3D3Dsource&hl=3D3Den
Mr. Smith's own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,''
Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
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Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: acting with a third
person I had pages removed (for violations of law, slander, ...), I
have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...) and I have in general exposed
the lies on it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3D3DENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience
(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
end of quote
I guess the fact that the US is the 5th trading partner of Cuba and
it's largest food supplier (about 30% of the 80% of food that Cuba
imports) exposes your lies clearly. A total of over 4.4 billion dollar
since 2001.
Invertia.com - Cuba importó alimentos de EE.UU. por 4.400 millones de
dólares desde 2001 (9 August 2009)
http://www.invertia.com/noticias/noticia.asp?subclasid=&clasid=&idNoticia=2194204
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2009/08/cuba-importo-alimentos-de-eeuu-por-4400.html
See:
The US is the 5th trading partner of Cuba and sold about 801 million
dollars (mostly in food items) to Cuba in 2008.
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/venezuela-china-y-espana-principales-socios-comerciales-de-cuba-en-2008/
(note: that would mean that the US mow provides close to 1/3 of
Cuba's
food needs 800 million out of 2.5 billion)
Also see
Despite embargo, Cuba imports daiquiris from US | Cubaverdad (15 May
2009)
http://www.cubaverdad.net/weblog/despite-embargo-cuba-imports-daiquiris-from-us/
> PS: As an antidote to PL's venomous person attacks on me here,
(snip)
You are the one with "venomous" attacks against me as your words in this thread and its header show Mr. Hypocrite Liar.
I merely post the reply that exposes your lies when you lie and insults me.
THE STANDARD REPLY TO DAN'S PERSONAL LIES AND INSULTS.
again Dan Christensen shows what a hypocrite liar he is.
He is the one doing the "attacking" with his lies and slander.
As all can see I only post this piece that exposes his lies when he
has started his slanderous attacks.
That by the way is in general within a couple of exchanges on the
facts of the case involved as by then he is so stuck that he has to
resort to lies and insults.
Please note that lies combined with personal attacks only destroy
your credibility, Dan.
Dan Christensen knows I am not a lobbyist and that it is all just a
slander campaign.
As a good follower of Goebbels he keeps repeating his lies in the hope
that something will stick and that he maybe can mislead some people
that
don't know what he is all about.
Desperate Dan Is doing his bit in the slander campaign of the "rat
pack"
he is associated with. The contribution of his pals at the Centre
Ernesto Che Guevara in this group recently just shows what Dan and his
cronies are all about: lies, insults, slander and intimidation.
Actually: given your actions in the past Dan you fit the lobbyist
profile a lot closer.
You contact people in support of the Cuban regime and with the aim to
have them change the content of their website or change public
statements. You even pose as a "journalist" or "researcher" while
doing so.
The fact that you have been utterly unsuccessful at it and that only
your website suffered the removal of pages just shows what a bad
lobbyist you are.
Your Club Med, lobbying, CIA lies are exposed again
Links to the threads Dan produces his "lobbyist" misquotes from and
the exposure of his lies by others:
For those that want to see the full thread and the complete messages
in their context (which Dan Christensen desperately hopes nobody will
as it will expose his lies), here is a link to the threads concerned.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/5fb621a1396ecc6c/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?hl=3D3Den=3DE0=3DA8=3DAAf5eb5bd1c2ed
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_thread/thread/56e1a7b9ca6c61e3/9cfde811fd6c7414?#9cfde811fd6c7414
To Dan Christensen's great frustration his lies by now have been
exposed by various other people in other threads like:
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ac34bd501ab58b97?dmode=3D3Dsource
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda
Dan Christensen lied when he claimed I had stated that I had been at
Club Med in Varadero - a hotel he tried to depict as a sleezy sex
resort - to "lobby" people.
Just one example:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/4b7720708da65ee0?dmode=3D3Dsource
Dan Christensen even suggested the whole trip was paid for by the CIA
thereby accusing Belgian officials of not only sexual impropriety, but
also of active corruption.
You see: Dan Christensen just doesn't know when to stop lying and gets
caught up in his "cloak and dagger" childish fantasies.
His lies are so over the top that it all become a big joke that people
can easily see though.
Here is one example of how serial liar Dan Christensen was exposed.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/848321c82da3bbda?dmode=3D3Dsource
The lies of Dan Christensen about me that were exposed:
- his lie about me playing golf to "lobby": exposed. Dan Christensen
had to admit there were no quotes to support any of that.
- his lie about singles resorts and schmoozing: exposed as various
people stated that it is merely a family resort that even had a circus
school for children
- his lie about me being in Varadero: exposed as Dan Christensen had
to admit I never said I was there
- his lie that it were all "CIA junkets" exposed as Dan Christensen
ran like hell when he realized that this lie could expose him to legal
sanctions
- his lie that I had "self-confessed" anything: exposed by people that
put the snippets Dan Christensen abusively posts in context (as shown
in this message)
All Dan Christensen's lies have been exposed by various people.
as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
Your record of lies, innuendo, insults and support of human rights
abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.
The exposure of the "lobbyist" lie in further detail.
Dan Christensen's abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over
again. He just aped the lie of another apologist that dropped that
specific lie very quickly. The guy is indeed smarter than stupid Dan.
When Dan Christensen tried to come up with his own "new and
improved" version of the lie he fell flat on his face.
He claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while his Rat Pack
pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP address from
which I had posted something that I was in Santiago de Cuba at the
time. One Rat Pack member exposing another's lies with the result of
his cyber stalking. Ironic.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=3D3Dg:thl174670614d&dq=3D3D&hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8
Again it is clear what a pathetic loser Dan Christensen is.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an
"independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with "local knowledge". In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often
forgot to keep up the pretense and made him show his hand and true
nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures. In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.................................................................................................................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in
the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are
morally justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3D3Den&lr=3D3D&ie=3D3DUTF-8&selm=3D3DtxMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..) in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
Dan Christensen once claimed:
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3D3Dsource&hl=3D3Den
Mr. Smith's own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,''
Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: acting with a third
person I had pages removed (for violations of law, slander, ...), I
have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...) and I have in general exposed
the lies on it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3D3DENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience
(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
end of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers
democracy" under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care
about a third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably
to make himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his
complete propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by
unsurmountable institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine) and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net ) and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" real name François Valy was sentenced to 6 months
in
jail for a whole series of abuses (including racism). A Spanish
"subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to: those that don't
have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the liars they are.
When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure as Dan Christensen
does here every time.
Fine by me.
PL
"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is
why it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla
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- References:
- Cowardly hypocrite PL still in denial about genocidal trade sanctions, snips and runs away in terror... EIGHTY-FOUR TIMES NOW!!!
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- Re: Cowardly hypocrite Canadian Stalinist Dan Christensen still lying about genocidal trade sanctions, snips and runs away in terror
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