Re: Question to Dan Christensen: Dr. Darsi Ferrer's family received aid from the EU - what country is he an "agent" of now according to you?

Dan Christensen wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:25 pm, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

Possession of stolen goods is illegal in every society(snip)
and inevitable to survive for the people in Cuba.

[snip]

Bullshit. (snip)

Nope.
Fact.

EN CUBA TODOS SOMOS "DELICUENTES"
2009-08-06.
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/article.asp?artID=22128

BBC Mundo - Cartas desde Cuba - Somos todos (27 August 2009)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mundo/cartas_desde_cuba/2009/08/somos_todos.html

Therefore by your standard about all Cubans should be in jail.
Why only Dr. Ferrer. What set his aprt.

a clue:
Darsi Ferrer, nueva táctica del gobierno cubano contra opositores
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r0U7u6sTd4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miscelaneasdecuba.net%2Fweb%2Farticle.asp%3FartID%3D22517&feature=player_embedded


As the diplomats indicated: the charge is just a front for punishment
for his opposition.
That is their opinion. Under international treaties, however,
diplomats should not be interfering in the internal affairs of the
host country like this.
All people have a duty to help others.

[snip]

Where is the support from their neighbours?

Most Cubans need help, very few -except the elite - have a lot to spare.
Note: these people are only attacked by organized gangs (CDR, rapid action brigades, .., not by the people.
As shown by the polls one of your favorite sources liked so much: they also want change

Again, these "diplomats" are clearly in violation of international
treaties (snip)

what Dan snipped:

All people have a duty to help others.
The protection of human rights is accepted by all but repressive societies.
Most societies know the ideas of sanctuary.
Are you saying the people like Mr. Wallenberg who saved the lives of thousands of persecuted people only to be killed by your hero Stalin are immoral?
Are you claiming he was wrong?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg

Again: are you condemning the actions of Mr. Wallenberg?

> The "opposition" in Cuba has so little public support that, as you
> yourself have pointed out before,
a lie. I did nothing of the sort.
Do you now deny that foreign money is NOT essential for the survival
of the internal "opposition" in Cuba? (snip)
It helps the people "survive" in a physical sense.
No more, no less.
It is not the reason nor the cause of their opposition.

It is just an indication of their low level of public support. (snip)

Nope it isn't.
It is merely a need created by the repression against those that speak out.
Again: the polls on of you favorite sources found so interesting confirmed that.


I have shown that according to the latest polls most Cubans want change.
Polls by whom -- Republican Party has-beens??? Get real!
[Sadly for you, in the polls that really matter --nationwide elections
by secret ballot -- Cubans have shown their overwhelming support for
their government and their system of socialist democracy. (That's
really why you feel these genocidal sanctions of yours are so
necessary -- to forcibly restore capitalism and fascism in Cuba for
"their own good," right, Mr. Lobbyist?)]
(snip)

a Poll one of your favorite sources found remarkable, no?

[snip]

Bullshit.

Nope.
fact.

Posted on Fri, Dec. 15, 2006

CUBA
Gallup poll: 47% of Cubans approve of Castro regime
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/16243562.htm
Cuba Verdad: Gallup poll: 47% of Cubans approve of Castro regime
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2006/12/gallup-poll-47-of-cubans-approve-of.html

Poll: 79% of Cubans think Castro gov't can't fix problems
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-11-18-cubapoll_N.htm
Cuba Verdad: Poll: 79% of Cubans think Castro gov't can't fix problems http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2007/11/poll-79-of-cubans-think-castro-govt.html

If they had any kind of public support, they would still be able to
carry on. They don't, of course.
Most Cubans don't have the means to "carry on" without help from abroad.
those that don't have support are in deep trouble.

[snip]

Thanks for confirming t
(snip)

I did nothing of the sort, of course.
But then Dan Christensen is getting desperate.

Some points Dan Christensen didn't dare to addres:
If the elite reserves goods for themselves and denies the people those it leaves the people with no option but to steal.
Those morally reprehensible then are the elite.
So answer the question.
"Do you think the elite has the same problems to get houses and
materials, Dan?"

He also snipped the proof that the regime takes all means of survival without foreign help away from dissidents:

Some recent cases:

DESPIDEN DE SU CENTRO DE TRABAJO AL DISIDENTE JOSÉ ANTONIO VÁZQUEZ -
Misceláneas de Cuba (2 August 2009)
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/article.asp?artID=22043

Cuba: Expulsada del trabajo (25 August 2009)
http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y09/agosto09/25_N_2.html

EXPULSAN DEL TRABAJO A ABDEL RODRÍGUEZ ARTEAGA, ESPOSO DE LA OPOSITORA
AIMÉ CABRALES AGUILAR - Misceláneas de Cuba (11 June 2009)
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/article.asp?artID=21153

ESGRIMEN RIDÍCULA EXCUSA PARA EXPULSAR DE SU TRABAJO A LA ACTIVISTA
CÍVICA ODALYS ÁLVAREZ VALERINO - Misceláneas de Cuba (11 June 2009)
http://www.miscelaneasdecuba.net/web/article.asp?artID=21155

Note that some, like Yaoni sanchez, can still make it, but as always the exceptions confirm the rule, no?

"Sanchez and her husband, independent journalist Reinaldo Escobar, make
ends meet by working as private tour guides and translators"
Cuban blogger the voice of youth-oriented counterculture - 5-Minute
Herald - MiamiHerald.com (23 August 2009)
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min/v-fullstory/story/1198467.html


Anyway: the arrest is not the issue as far as him being a dissident or "agent" as you call him.
His actions are.
Are you now claiming Dr. Ferrer never engaged in actions that you would ascribe to "agents"?

That means: a dissident that gets aid from abroad.
You call those agents.

So: the cowardly Dan Christensen snips and runs away in terror

On issue of agency for foreign government just because one receives help from the EU, cowardly Dan Christensen snips and runs away in terror - 3

You claim that anyone in Cuba that gets aid from a certain country (private or public) or get paid for work from a certain country and disagrees with Castro becomes an "agent" of the country.

For which country is Dr. Ferrer is an "agent" according to you?

"Multiple choice":

Austria
Belgium
Bulgaria
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom

See:

UE entrega donaciones a disidente cubano - Cuba - El Nuevo Herald (27
August 2009)
http://www.elnuevoherald.com/noticias/america_latina/cuba/story/528244.html

PL
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