Re: Support build for Cuban democratic principles



On Jun 8, 9:47 pm, Dan Christensen <dch...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 8, 2:29 pm, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dan Christensen wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:58 am, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snip]

The sentiment shared by too many in the region, as expressed for example
by the presidents and foreign ministers of Ecuador and Honduras at the
OAS summit, considers Cuba's 50-year old dynastic totalitarianism a
''different kind of democracy,'' ''a legal and legitimate representative
of its people,'' an ''acceptable one party state.''

It is as they say.(snip)

Nope.
Cuba is a dictatorship that violates human rights.

[snip]

Like I said, more and more people are seeing through your lies and
disinformation, Mr. Lobbyist.


actually: more and more people are seeing through your lies and
disinformation Dan Christensen

Elections
The UN rapporteur's assessment of the so called elections is correct:
  "the electoral process is so tightly controlled that the final phase,
the voting itself, could be dispensed with without the final result
being substantially affected"

Sadly for you, his report was rejected
(snip)

Nope it wasn't.
Still on their website actually.
Not acted upon, that is all.

What desperate Dan snipped:

Cuba is a dictatorship that violates human rights.
Links to Human rights reports:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/links_to_human_rights_reports.htm

The system
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm

Elections
The UN rapporteur's assessment of the so called elections is correct:
"the electoral process is so tightly controlled that the final
phase,
the voting itself, could be dispensed with without the final result
being substantially affected"
See: E/CN.4/1998/69
http://www.cubaverdad.net/elections_in_cuba.htm

Democracy
http://www.cubaverdad.net/democracy.htm

Sadly enough, the
discourse of governments such as Brazil, Argentina and Mexico is full of
moral ambiguity and confusion, and does not confront this verbal assault
of the very basic notions of human rights.

What could be more morally ambiguous than a regime that supports what
amounts to genocidal trade sanctions against the Cuba people.

(snip)

there are no "genocidal trade sanctions".
No reputable international organization has ever referred to the trade
sanctions as "genocide".

Still in denial, I see.

Nope.
Still dealing with facts and exposing your lies.


In March of this year Amnesty International
reported:
(snip)

Thanks for confirming what I said Dan.
Neither Amnesty International nor any other reputable international
organization has ever referred to the trade sanctions as "genocide".
That is just a propaganda lie of yours.

2c of the UN Genocide Convention states that the crime of
genocide includes, among other things, "deliberately inflicting on the
group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
destruction in whole or in part."http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/p_genoci.htm

(snip)
The US is the largest food supplier of a country that according to the
WFP, governments (the Canadian government amongst them) and the
international press (the Economist, the Guardian, ..) depends for 80%
of
it needs on imports.
The US - as 5th trading partner - supplies 25 to 30% of that food the
Cuban people need.
Not the way a "genocidal" entity would act.

The US is the largest food supplier of a country that according to the
WFP, governments (the Canadian government amongst them) and the
international press (the Economist, the Guardian, ..)

As we see above, even Amnesty International isn't buying into your
self-serving rationalizations.

actually: they aren't "buying in" to your propaganda lies as you have
shown yourself.

"However, Cuba was allowed to buy staple foods from the USA worth more
than US$530 million, which had to be paid for in cash and in advance."
Cuba | Amnesty International Report 2009
http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/americas/cuba

depends for 80% of
it needs on imports.

Already debunked here
(snip)

Never debunked, just snipped

From the WFP:

In Cuba, which imports 80 percent of its food, iron-deficiency
anaemia
is the commonest nutritional disorder: recent studies by the
Institute
of Nutrition and Food Hygiene show that anaemia prevalence in the
eastern region is 56.7 percent among children under 2 and 20.1
percent
in children aged 2–5.

Development project 10589.0 will concentrate on the five eastern
provinces identified as most vulnerable to food insecurity,
supporting
the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia to reduce
anaemia
to 15 percent by 2015. WFP and the Government have agreed a two-track
strategy: WFP will provide iron-rich food and enhance local capacity
to
produce them in support of anaemic children; the aim is to extend
access
to an affordable food basket, establish production of enriched
blended
flour, improve household consumption patterns and support a phase-
down.

Support for the National Plan on Prevention and Control of Anaemia in
the Five Eastern Provinces of Cuba | WFP | United Nations World Food
Programme - Fighting Hunger Worldwide

http://www.wfp.org/content/support-national-plan-prevention-and-control-anaemia-five-eastern-provinces-cuba

all sources agree.
But then of course you want everyone to believe that they are all
wrong
and you are the only one that is right, no?

Agri-Food
Past, Present & Future Report
Cuba
March 2009

Although Cuba's agriculture sector has traditionally been vital to the
economy with such notable products as sugar, tobacco, citrus products,
and tropical fruits, it now imports approximately 80-85% of its
foodstuff requirements. In 1960, roughly 87% of Cuba's rural
population
was engaged in agriculture production, and while about 66% of the
population is still engaged in agriculture, the sector lacks the
technology and investment needed to significantly modernize
production.
Between the years 2000 and 2006 Cuba's agricultural imports almost
doubled. An estimated 15% of Cuba's total imports are agricultural.

http://www.ats.agr.gc.ca/latin/4678-eng.htm

Havana bling
Rory Carroll
12 April 2008 06:00

The most important change is in agriculture, in which mismanagement
has shrivelled cash crops such as sugar, tobacco and coffee and forced
the lush island to import 80% of its food. Now decision-making has
been decentralised and some restrictions lifted to give farmers more
incentive to produce.
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-04-11-havana-bling

Cuba imports approximately 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2
million inhabitants and had planned to spend $2 billion this year even
before the devastation wrought by Gustav and Ike.
http://havanajournal.com/business/entry/food-shortages-starting-in-cuba-is-=
the-system-freezing-up/

The island imports 80% of its food, at a cost of $2.5 billion, and its
huge trade deficit has soared this year by 70% to more than $11
billion, according to official figures out this week. That is only
partly covered by the $7.8 billion Cuba receives for "export
services"=97
doctors and sports trainers sent to Venezuela in exchange for oil.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3D12851246

Although Cuba already imports 80 percent of the food that it's 11.2
million residents consume, analysts say the impact of the hurricanes
pushes the island into a crisis during a time of high food prices in
international markets.
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=3Dc87faaa=
b5329d7d51fedc165d5b9ad2d

Cuba imports 80 percent of the food consumed by its 11.2-million
inhabitants, making it highly vulnerable to the commodity price shocks
and foreign currency swings in recent months. Cuba's imports this year
are estimated at $2.5-billion, up 56 percent from last year.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/article946886.ece

But overall Cuba is still reliant today on imports for 80% of its
total food consumption, and thus extremely vulnerable to world food
price fluctuations.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/763/39410

To save communism, Raúl experiments with consumerism
Minor economic reforms by Castro's brother risk exposing inequality
and
encouraging the desire for change
Rory Carroll in Havana
The Guardian, Monday 7 April 2008

"The most important change so far is in agriculture, in which
mismanagement has shrivelled cash crops such as sugar, tobacco and
coffee and forced the lush island to import 80% of its food. Now
decision-making has been decentralised and some restrictions lifted
to
give farmers more incentive to produce."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/07/cuba?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews

Waiting for Obama | The Economist

This will be exacerbated by pressures from high food import prices
(Cuba
imports around 80% of its food needs), falling nickel prices (a main
source of foreign exchange) and the hurricane-related losses. The
country's already huge trade deficit soared in 2008 by 70%, to an
estimated US$11bn.

http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12882233

Cuba News

Cuba imports around 80% of its food products and Raúl Castro
recently
implemented reforms in the farming sector in an attempt to stimulate
domestic production. Cuba will have to import more food or face
shortages.

http://www.londonmet.ac.uk/research-units/cuba/news/cubanews.cfm

Cubasource (20 May 2009)

Cuba imports more than 80 percent of the food it consumes (EFE,
3/11/08).

http://www.cubasource.org/publications/chronicles/coc200811ec_e.asp



Your favorite dictatorship on the other hand is - and has been for years
- on Genocide Watch's list.

GW's credibility was shattered
(snip)
Nope, your lies were exposed.

Dan Christensen's exposed lie about Genocide Watch.

Dan falsely claimed the organization had copied (mindlessly) a number
from a book by Rummel. Another case of false claims of "private
information".
Upon verification it became clear that Rummel quoted a figure of
73,000
deaths attributable to the Castro regime. Genocide Watch showed a
figure
of 75,000 which comrade Dan promptly attributed to "sloppiness" in
copying.

Dan Christensen fails to understand that his private lies can't
refute
the public record.
He tried this one on a couple of times and always failed.

Do you deny Dan Christensen that you got the numbers wrong in your
lie
and that the "exclusive" source you falsely claimed was used by
Genocide
Watch (another "private" message) actually gave a LOWER figure than
Genocide Watch?

I have clearly shown that your claim that Mr. Rummel is the one and
only
source Genocide Watch uses is false by proving that Mr. Rummel (whose
credibility you attack without proof) gives a different figure than
Genocide Watch (73,000 versus 75,0000). Genocide Watch correctly
lists
Castro as a genocidal dictator because of his responsibility for the
death of thousands of people.

When confronted with your lie you turned insult in to injury by
claiming
the "made an error in copying", didn't you?

As always: the links that expose Dan Christensen's lies:

Dan's lie:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/ff0ab4c53757e8a0?dmode=source&hl=en

My exposure of his lie:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/a44230458e76b3c7?dmode=source&hl=en

Dan's pathetic claim Genocide Watch made a mistake:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/8eeb4ad61f1463d4?dmode=source&hl=en


PL
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