Re: Poor, desperate lobbyist...

On Jun 8, 6:10 am, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

I said none are charged with illegal exit. That's even what your
recent posting said.

My recent postings have shown that people have been arrested, fined and
/ or convicted up to 2009.


[snip]

Apart from one apparently unresolved case, you have only accounts
published by anti-Cuban propaganda sites like CubaNet. And none from
groups like Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch, which
certainly cannot be accused of trying to cover this up.


7 Cubans head for US, reach only US mission - soc.culture.cubahttp://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/fe8904b2ac65ec28?h...

This is the report that got you into trouble in the first place. No
one was arrested or charged. They were just taken home.

said the policeman that got you in trouble by claiming that they hadn't
done anything wrong under the law.
that lies was exposed


Not really. As we see below, more serious crimes like human
trafficking are lumped under the term "illegal exit" in unoffical
accounts.




Well here the reply.

In 2008 at least 300 in jail:

The CCDHRN estimated that at year's end approximately 300 citizens were
serving sentences or awaiting trial on this charge, which ordinarily
carries a term of 15 to 20 years' imprisonment.

Who is the CCDRHRN and why doesn't Amnesty International believe them?

Who says Amnesty doesn't believe them?
Here are over 10 references on Amnesty's website quoting them desperate
serial liar.

[snip]

If AI did believe their claim that hundreds have been jailed or
charged with illegal exit, why is there is no mention of this at their
website? Whatever AI may think of them, as far as I can tell, AI
doesn't believe this claim. Neither does the US-based Human Rights
Watch. Must be frustrating as hell for you.


Posted on Thursday, 05.28.09
CUBA
Son of Cuban 'comandante' pleads to leave island
By WILFREDO CANCIO ISLA
El Nuevo Herald

Lawyer Juan Almeida García, son of revolutionary comandante Juan Almeda
Bosque, was detained and complained of degrading treatment by government
agents after attempting to leave Cuba illegally, El Nuevo Herald has
learned.

''I had no recourse but an illegal departure. You can put me in prison,
slip another hood on me or make me disappear in the secret houses, but
all I'm asking is to be able to visit a doctor and be near my family,''
Almeida García, whose wife is in Miami, wrote to the authorities in
Villa Marista, headquarters of State Security in Havana.

That plea is one of nine letters sent by Almeida García between June
2006 and May 14 of this year detailing his persistent efforts to obtain
authorization to travel legally abroad. The documents were sent early
this month to friends in Spain and made available to El Nuevo Herald.

Efforts made by El Nuevo Herald to reach Almeida García by phone were
unsuccessful.

The requests for permission to leave the country temporarily are based
on the fact that Almeida García, 44, suffers from a degenerative
rheumatoid disease for which he has been treated in Brussels, Belgium,
since the early 1990s. He has not been able to leave the island since 2003.

Son of Cuban 'comandante' pleads to leave island - Cuba -
MiamiHerald.com (28 May 2009)

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/cuba/story/1069051.html

This doesn't say he was charged with illegal exit or that they was
jailed. (snip)

just abused by the agents of the regime you mean.

[snip]

I mean he was picked up as required by international obligations to
control illegal immigration.

How about Amnesty International 1998:

Juan Carlos Herrera Acosta (aged 32)

     * Place of Detention: Prisión Combinado de Guantánamo, Combinado de
Guantánamo Prison, Guantánamo province.
     * Date of detention: 26 September 1997

[snip]

This is the case I was talking about -- the only one at Amnesty
International's website since 1994. Thanks for confirming I was right.

actually that by itself already showed you were lying when you claimed
there were none.

I said there was only one case cited at the AI website after 1994.
(See below.) And none in the past 12 years.


in this regard, the Inter-American Commission was also informed that
Leonel Gregorio Pupo Rodríguez, Víctor Pupo Rodríguez, Francisco
Gutiérrez Pérez, Julio Regalado García, and Jorge Luis Chau Muñiz have
been confined in the Combinado Sur prison in Matanzas since December
1999, without being brought to trial.  These five persons decided to
declare that they were on a hunger strike, as a way of calling for the
regime to bring them before a court.  The Office of the Attorney General
of the Republic of Cuba is preparing a case against them for the alleged
crime of "illegal exit."

These are the guys that supplied the boat which took Elian Gonzalez to
sea in late 1999. They were convicted of complicity in illegal
departure -- a different charge altogether.

(snip)

Nope.
Being complicit to a crime still refers to the same crime.

[snip]

It is human trafficking, a much more serious crime, which is illegal
everywhere. It is interesting to note that this report made no
distinction between illegal exit and this more serious crime.

Dan
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