Re: Dan Christensen's support of genocide, violations of human rights and abuses against people

On Jan 30, 5:24 pm, Dan Christensen <dch...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
(More rationalization
(snip)

Nope.
More Facts.

On Jan 30, 6:18 am, PL <P...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
to bother with]

All people see is a desperate irrational raving slanderer that snips
the facts and vomits his usual lies and insults in true "rat pack"
fashion.
As always Dan your acts speak louder than your words.

"Many Cubans, facing renewed economic hardship, said they had no
choice
but to sign the petition, since signatures were collected at
neighborhood watch committees that have been the eyes and ears of the
government since the 1960s."http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20020618_459.html

This refers not to the elections, but to a petition.
(snip)

the vote for which was managed in the same way by the regime as the
elections.

"But while no one was physically forced to sign the petition, many
felt obliged to do so, fearing they might lose their jobs or come
under scrutiny from ever-vigilant state officials who purveyed every
workplace and neighbourhood."

As a result, it is impossible to gauge how much support President
Castro has and how many signed the petition for a quiet lifehttp://news..bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2053060.stm

As above.

Indeed.

"There is no free speech, limited free enterprise and little political
freedom on the island. That his communist regime is not universally
loved is underscored by the departure of thousands of Cubans each year
in risky ocean crossings to Florida."http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/27048
Originally at:http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/11/30/cuba.waiting..ap/index.ht...

What has this got to do with elections?
(snip)

elections can't be free without freedom of speech

"The number of those who oppose Castro and his command-style economic
ideals is hard to gauge.

Try a secret ballot.
(snip)

with people pressuring you all the time and only pre-semected
"candiddates" on the ballot.
Worthless.

Only a few do speak out"http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...

Cubans cant vote for anything but rubber stamp pre-selected
candidates.
they have no choice.

A blatant lie.
(snip)

Nope.
No person can get on the ballot without being pre-approved by the
regime.
If rejected the system again selects another carbon-copy candidate if
needed but no real change in the pre-selection process which means
voting against is in fact futile.
The regime always decides who can be a "candidate"

See:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/elections_in_cuba.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/democracy.htm

The UN's assessment of the so called elections is correct:
  "the electoral process is so tightly controlled that the final
phase,
the voting itself, could be dispensed with without the final result
being substantially affected"
See: E/CN.4/1998/69http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/TestFrame/e5cd0d891d0d656...

[snip]

Already debunked here.
(snip)

Never debunked.
A UN report currently online
See: E/CN.4/1998/69
http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/TestFrame/e5cd0d891d0d6566c125661300495d69?Opendocument

From the "Guardian" Newspaper:

"Yet there is a strong yearning for freedom in Cuba. An opinion poll
carried out by the International Republican Institute

[snip]

Republicans????
(snip)

quoted by a left wing UK paper, indeed.
Must hurt desperate Dan.

As usual you end up with egg all over your face Mr. Serial Liar.

What desperate Dan Christensen snipped and replaced with slander and
insults as usual.

"Yet there is a strong yearning for freedom in Cuba. An opinion poll
carried out by the International Republican Institute in the Autumn of
2007 showed that a majority of Cubans (75.6%) think that political
democratic changes in their country would improve their daily lives.
When asked if they would prefer a political system where people could
choose from candidates of different parties, 76.3% said they would
like
to choose. The younger or more educated the interviewee, the more he
or
she supported political and economic changes, multiparty elections and
the right to vote to decide who should succeed Fidel Castro."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/21/raulmoreofthesame

Also see:
http://www.iri.org/lac/cuba/pdfs/2009-01-15-poll.pdf
a newer poll that confirms the data.

See:
For the facts ion workers rights:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/workers_paradise.htm
with links to data from the ILO and other international trade union
organizations
For the facts on human rights:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/links_to_human_rights_reports.htm
with links to over 100 human rights reports
For the facts on Cuba with respect to democracy and elections
http://www.cubaverdad.net/elections_in_cuba.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/democracy.htm


Again Dan Christensen can't refute the facts and is reduced to
slanderous personal attacks. It is a sure sign of him admitting to be
beaten again.

as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
You are right to understand that your record of lies, innuendo,
insults
and support of human rights abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.

And the exposure of the "lobbyist" lie.

Your abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over again Mr.
serial
Liar.
When you tried to come up with your own new version of the lie
you also fell flat on your face , no?
Remember when you claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while
your pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP that I
was
in Santiago de Cuba at the time.

Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

A real loser you are.

Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.

- Frustration

I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew
his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an "independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in
a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his
lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with
"local knowledge".

In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often forgot to keep up the
presence and made him show his hand and true nature:

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the
means.
..........................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the
false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..)in fact only applied to him.

I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.

"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United
States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

Then there is the issue of his lying website: I had pages removed (for
violations of law, slander, ...), have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...)and have in general exposed
the lies
on it (on Amnesty International for example)

What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.

Quote:

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."

In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.


" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
end of quote

- Dogmatic hatred.

Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers
democracy"
under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those
that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care about a
third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably to make
himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his complete
propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by unsurmountable
institutional odds").

- Personal hate and the "rat pack"

Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had
posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine)and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net )and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" went to jail for 6 months for a whole series of
abuses. A Spanish "subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise
coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.

But then in the end this is what it boils down to:
those that don't have rational arguments find themselves exposed as
the liars they are. When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure.
Fine by me.

PL

"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is
why it is afraid of words and the truth."

.

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