Re: Dan Christensen seeks to punish Cubans for their continued desire for freedom

Dan Christensen wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:55 am, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snipping portions of PL's shameful posting already debunked here, or
too lame to bother with]

By which Canadian Stalinist Dan Christensen means he snips what he can't refute or doesn't dare to address.

Like:

His views on freedom of speech in Cuba
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/d197a000c33660d8

All human rights groups disagree.
But the for Dan the only "speech" that should be "free" is that in support of the regime.

I disagree.

Links to over 100 human rights reports on Cuba:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/links_to_human_rights_reports.htm

More on freedom of speech in Cuba see:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm


Dan Christensen wrote:
On Apr 16, 4:17 pm, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/d197a000c33660d8
All human rights groups disagree.
But the for Dan the only "speech" that should be "free" is that in
support of the regime.
PL is just pissed off that his political masters and their agents
cannot operate with impunity in Cuba like in the "good old days."
actually I am just pissed of becaude the regime abuses the human rights
of Cuban.
Abuses you support.


What you call "abuses" is just the Cuban people fighting back against
US imperial aggression.

Nope.
it is a consistent pattern of human rights abuses, democide, politicide, torture as these human rights reports show:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/links_to_human_rights_reports.htm

The real abuse is carried out by you and your
political masters

unlike you I have no masters comrade Dan

-- abuse can even be seen as a form of genocide!.

The Castro regime is the only one listed at Genocide Watch comrade Dan.
For more details and links to relevant reports see:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm

No international organization of any repute refers to the trade sanctions as "genocide".
A fact you have proven over and over again by failing to posted any quote whatsoever.

Given your active promotion these genocidal trade sanctions against
the Cuban people, (snip)

there are no genocidal trade sanctions as you yourself have shown by failing to post even ONE quote from a reputable international organizations stating so.

Your lies and personal insults don't change the facts comrade Dan.

As recent elections in Cuba show, the vast majority of Cuban people
are solidly behind their government
(snip)

The results means nothing as it is the result of a process that
eliminates all dissent before the voting starts.

Just because your pals can get nowhere in the system does not
undermine its legitimacy.

actually: the fact show the elections aren't legitimate in any way

The results means nothing as it is the result of a process that eliminates all dissent before the voting starts. The CDR and other front organizations control the selection of the "unique" candidate for each seat.
From then on it is just a sharade.

The UN rapporteur correctly stated that
"the electoral process is so tightly controlled that the final phase, the voting itself, could be dispensed with without the final result being substantially affected"

In the Un report located at:
See: E/CN.4/1998/69
http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/TestFrame/e5cd0d891d0d6566c125661300495d69?Opendocument
The UN rapporteur correctly stated that
"the electoral process is so tightly controlled that the final phase,
the voting itself, could be dispensed with without the final result
being substantially affected"


As you know, his report was rejected (snip)

as I know it wasn't rejected.
Not one word. The author was never criticized and the report is still on the website.
http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/TestFrame/e5cd0d891d0d6566c125661300495d69?Opendocument
The fact that there was no political will to apply sanctions doesn't change the facts Dan.
Do you deny people died in Darfur because the Un didn't act?
You are such a desperate liar.

genocidal trade sanctions
there are [no] "genocidal" trade sanctions

Like most Nazis, i

You are the only one with "nazi" attitudes comrade Dan.
that has been shown over and over again.

You support a regime that:
- is on the list of genocide Watch:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/genocide.htm
- does not allow freedom of speech - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_speech.htm
- imprisons opponents (even having it's own concentration camps in the
past:
the UMAP) - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/dissidents.htm
http://www.cubaverdad.net/independent_journalists_in_cuba.htm
more about the UMAP:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=UMAP&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- tortures opponents:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/torture_in_cuba.htm
- violates human rights - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/universal_declaration_of_human_rights.htm
- persecuted gays until very recently - like the Nazi regime
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=%22gay%22+OR+%22homo%22&submit=Search&charset=UTF-8
- burns books - like the Nazi regime
- uses harsh repression against its people and has a sophisticated
system of
social control - like the Nazi regime
http://www.cubaverdad.net/totalitarian_system.htm
.....
and of course there are your own words that show you attitude:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.......
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in
the Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and Colombia.
Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these so-called
dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally justified under
the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote


(snip)

> the facts in this case have been well
documented by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the UN and
even the Catholic Church. (snip)

and none of the above has ever referred to the trade sanctions as "genocide" as you falsely try to imply.

In fact: you can't quote ANY reputable human rights organization referring to the trade sanctions as "genocide" as you have again admitted.

You can't even deny that the US is the largest food supplier of Cuba contributing one third of the 84% imported content of the basic food distributed in the rationing system.

Today it was again reported that shipments of wheat and rice were up.
http://www.cattlenetwork.com/content.asp?contentid=214162

As usual when confronted with his shameful past,

The only one with a "shameful past" are you Dan Christensen.
Unlike me you support human rights abuses, torture, politice - democide (both forms of genocide), repression, ...

our Mr. Lobbyist here
lashes out at me with his pathetic attempts to discredit me
(snip)

as I said comrade Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
You are right to understand that your record of lies, innuendo, insults and support of human rights abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.

And the exposure of the "lobbyist" lie.


Your abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over again Mr. serial Liar.
When you tried to come up with your own new version of the lie
you also fell flat on your face , no?
Remember when you claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while
your pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP that I was
in Santiago de Cuba at the time.

Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

A real loser you are.

Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.

- Frustration

I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I blew
his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an "independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question in
a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show his
lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those with
"local knowledge".

In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often forgot to keep up the
presence and made him show his hand and true nature:

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that the
false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture, abuses,
.................)in fact only applied to him.

I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.

"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

Then there is the issue of his lying website: I had pages removed (for
violations of law, slander, ...), have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies, remove
lying caption from pictures, ...)and have in general exposed the lies on
it (on Amnesty International for example)

What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.

Quote:

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."

In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.


" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
en of quote

- Dogmatic hatred.

Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were to
defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers democracy"
under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was being
censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that those
that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care about a
third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably to make
himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his complete
propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by unsurmountable
institutional odds").

- Personal hate and the "rat pack"

Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove after
a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he had posted
there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the target
of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine)and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blade or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats in
France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net )and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" went to jail for 6 months for a whole series of
abuses. A Spanish "subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.

But then in the end this is what it boils down to:
those that don't have rational arguments find themselves exposed as the
liars they are. When that happens all they have left are the old slander
tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the hope that
they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly he
would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on) are
reduced to that they expose" their own failure.
Fine by me.

PL

"The Cuban government is based on lies and cheap propaganda. That is why
it is afraid of words and the truth."
Raul Rivero, April 2006, University of Sevilla, Spain
.

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