Re: apartheid en cuba

On Nov 29, 5:37 am, Dan Christensen <dch...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 28, 4:01 pm, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://www.apartheidencuba.com/

Repeatedly debunked here. (snip)

Never debunked Dan.
You just rattled on a bit.
Here are the facts:
http://www.cubaverdad.net/apartheid_in_cuba.htm

Your lies and insults don't change facts Dan.

Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:



Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.

We both know you can't.



Try something like this:



Quote:

"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.
In
this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.

........

These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."



http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca



"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send
death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and

Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified
under the circumstances."



http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca



Unquote.



You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty
International,
Genocide Watch, ..........



Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.

That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.



As I said comrade Dan: every time you post that lie about me I post
the
truth about you.



Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on
vacation
in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that time
prove).

This was your false claim: "Taking a little break from arm-twisting
in
Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"

Link:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8



Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your
lies.



Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the
ones
below:



YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith

"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he
does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting of your
beloved embargo."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en



HIS own words:



'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.

''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm

You can enter after a free registration.



Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823



YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.

Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.



Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report
quoted
below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same report
that:



"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html



Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in
to it)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB



They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade
sanctions in that report, are they?

Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from
these
sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED)?



"in 1.

"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International
considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of conscience(2) and calls
for
their immediate and unconditional release."



In 8.1

" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously
named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.



" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or
imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their rights to
freedom of
expression, association and assembly."



and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your
lying website:



" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on
Cuba in
humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and
unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"



that sentence:

1. isn't in the report

2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report



You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro
regime and
abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a BLATANT
LIE.



What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:



"Amnesty International calls on the United States government

- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen
the
embargo.

- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.

- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of
its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."



Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.

The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy
that
places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the forefront
of its
concerns".



See:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB



Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident
Canadian
Stalinist propagandist of SCC.



PL
.

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