Re: PL's same tired old lies and evasions...


"Dan Christensen" <dchris@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Aug 27, 12:16 pm, "PL" <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Dan Christensen" <dch...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Aug 23, 6:18 am, PL <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dan Christensen wrote:
On Aug 20, 5:41 am, " krp" <web24...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Dan Christensen" <dch...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion
here
some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying
exploits,
Yeah we'd all like to see that FROM HIM and not an IDIOT
quoting
himself
making that claim. Still waiting Danny. The link you provide is
to
YOURSELF
and NOT PL himself.
The only idiot I quote is your pal, PL. And he was stupid enough
to
brag in public about his various lobbying exploits! I guess he
thought
we would be impressed. It's a wonder he hasn't been "disappeared"
by
his bosses years ago. He has done nothing here but embarrass them
ever
since.
The LINK you provide is to YOUR claim he said it NOT where he
said
it
Danny. YOU are NOT a credible source!

I provide direct quotes,

(snip)

No quotes comrade Dan.

Just a link to your original posting... Mr. Lobbyist.

No links whatsoever

Post-edited snippets without any links for obvious reasons.

Look again... Mr. Lobbyist.

Have
done.http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae...

No links except to your own lies.


Nope.
No direct quotes and links here:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2

I guess you missed this one... Mr. Lobbyist:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/2602f5eb5bd1c2ed?dmode=source&hl=en

Which is a completely different link. Thanks for admitting you lied all the
time.

Thanks for exposing your own lies Dan Christensen..
Nowhere I say that I am a lobbyist and even the word "lobby" is between
quotes to show clearly that I am making fun of Lulo's lying use of the word
claiming I "lobby" "the European parliament" and "other organizations".
Thanks for showing that your whole personal attack is no more than a blatant
lie as was the claim of your pal "Lulo".
Even your so called "proof" is no more than a clear rejection by me of the
ridiculous lie.
But then after being ridiculed so often and after having part of your
website removed you are reduced to this crap comrade Dan.
Thanks for again exposing how low you have sunk in your defense of human
rights abuses.
Belgium is a small country Dan. Most people that went to college know people
in politics. No more no less.
That is what I said. I just copied a verb "Lulo" used to ridicule him as
anyone can see.
Another of your lies exposed.


Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:

Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.
We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
........
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty
International,
Genocide Watch, ..........

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.
That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.
Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you.

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on
vacation in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that
time prove).
This was your false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the
ones below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report
quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same
report
that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade sanctions in that report, are they?
Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from
these sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."

In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.


" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on Cuba
in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and
unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:
1. isn't in the report
2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro
regime and abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a
BLATANT LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:

"Amnesty International calls on the United States government
- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen
the embargo.
- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.
- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.
The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy
that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns".

See:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian
Stalinist propagandist of SCC.

PL





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