Cuban economists answer the question Dan Christensen has been ducking for years : a family of 4 needs 1600 pesos a month to meet it's basics needs


"Dan Christensen" <dchris@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Jul 28, 5:33 am, "PL" <pl.nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"According to calculations of Cuban economists, an average family of four
members needs a monthly budget of about 1.600 pesos (around 72 dollars)
to
take care of her minimal basic necessities,but according to the National
Office of Statistic the average wage on the island is 387 Pesos Cubano,
that is, about 18 dollars.
per month."

[snip]

Mr.
(snip)

Insults don't change facts comrade Dan.

What a loser!

Nope, you are the loser that doesn't dare to address the isues.

Sadly for all of you on the looney right, it is not to be. Cuba is
stronger than ever,
(snip)

Nope a absket case and even Raul admits to that.
Cubans are hungry and can't make ends meet thanks to your favorite
dictatorship
Your lies are exposed by Cuban economists comrade Dan.
Must piss you off.

The facts desperate Dan snipped:

"According to calculations of Cuban economists, an average family of four
members needs a monthly budget of about 1.600 pesos (around 72 dollars) to
take care of her minimal basic necessities,but according to the National
Office of Statistic the average wage on the island is 387 Pesos Cubano,
that is, about 18 dollars.
per month."

The average Cuban family has a deficit of 1213 pesos to meets it's basic
needs.
Funny kind of "paradise" comrade Dan.
You can't duck this bullit anymore Mr. Serial Liar.

Los bajos salarios y la crisis en Cuba

Una familia necesita 1,600 pesos al mes, pero el sueldo promedio es de
387 pesos

Redacción de La Opinión

28 de julio de 2007

La precariedad salarial, uno de los principales problemas de la economía
cubana, obliga a las familias a recurrir al mercado negro para llegar a
final de mes y resolver sus necesidades mínimas.

El presidente en funciones de Cuba, Raúl Castro, reconoció el jueves,
durante su discurso por el 26 de julio, que el salario "es claramente
insuficiente para satisfacer todas las necesidades".

El problema se agrava, según expertos cubanos, por la convivencia de dos
monedas en la isla: el peso convertible (CUC, equivalente a 1.08
dólares) y el peso cubano (1 CUC equivale a 24 pesos cubanos).

Según cálculos de economistas cubanos, una familia media de cuatro
miembros necesita un presupuesto mensual de unos 1,600 pesos (alrededor
de 72 dólares) para atender sus necesidades básicas mínimas, pero según
la Oficina Nacional de Estadística el salario promedio en la isla es de
387 pesos cubanos, o sea, unos 18 dólares mensuales.

En el país hay una libreta de racionamiento de alimentos desde
principios de 1962, por lo cual algunos analistas afirman que se trata
del racionamiento de alimentos más prolongado de los tiempos modernos.

Esa libreta de racionamiento no sólo sigue vigente 45 años después del
comunismo en la isla, sino que hace más de 30 años que apenas cubre una
cuarta parte o un tercio de las necesidades alimentarias básicas de las
familias cubanas.

Por otra parte, en Cuba se ha enraizado muy fuertemente una nueva
psicología social, una especie de nueva cultura popular según la cual
robarle al Estado no es malo, sino un acto de defensa propia para
sobrevivir.

El resultado de esta lógica socialista es que casi todos los
trabajadores de alguna u otra manera roban lo que pueden, práctica que
el gobierno denomina "desvío de recursos", o "faltantes", cuando se
trata de desfalco de dinero en efectivo.

Este robo sistemático es precisamente el que alimenta el gigantesco
mercado negro cubano. Los ciudadanos encuentran en este mercado
clandestino lo necesario para subsistir.

Ángeles, una vecina de Playa, recurre al mercado negro para comprar
comida y ocasionalmente ropa o zapatos.

"La gente busca precios más baratos y siguen comprando por la izquierda
porque les compensa", aseguró.

Enrique, un padre de familia de 36 años, compra "por la izquierda", como
popularmente se conoce esta práctica, desde carne y pescado hasta
productos que no puede conseguir en las tiendas.

"Hay cosas que son más baratas 'por la izquierda' y es posible ahorrar
un poco, además, se pueden encontrar cosas que no hay en las tiendas,
como aires acondicionados", explicó.

http://www.laopinion.com/latinoamerica/?rkey=00000000000002034980

Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar (posted at
the end of the reply to each time Dan Christensen repeats his lie)

Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.
We both know you can't.

Try something like this:

Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
........
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the circumstances."

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca

Unquote.

You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty
International,
Genocide Watch, ..........

Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.
That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.

As I said comrade Dan.
Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you.

Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on
vacation in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that
time prove).
This was your false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8

Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your lies.

Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the
ones below:

YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en

HIS own words:

'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.

Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823

YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.

Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report
quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same
report
that:

"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html

Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade sanctions in that report, are they?
Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from
these sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):

"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."

In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.


" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."

and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your lying website:

" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on Cuba
in humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and
unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"

that sentence:
1. isn't in the report
2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report

You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro
regime and abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a
BLATANT LIE.

What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:

"Amnesty International calls on the United States government
- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen
the embargo.
- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.
- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."

Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.
The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy
that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns".

See:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB

Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian
Stalinist propagandist of SCC.

PL



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